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Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by nineplay »

colechristensen wrote: post #50
nineplay wrote: post #45

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The 'no fruit juice' thing really got on my nerves when my kids were little since people just throw it out with no qualifications. So really, if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid because fruit = sugar = bad? It's such a reductionist way to look at food and nutrition. I also recently had a PT tell me that blending fruit into smoothies removes all the nutritional value, wh…

>I also recently had a PT tell me that blending fruit into smoothies removes all the nutritional value, which is why no one should get nutritional advice heath professionals who are not nutritionists. I'd just suggest nobody get nutritional advice. Really so much of it is just nonsense and there's no good advice in my opinion outside "eat a variety of food in moderation" unless you have specific health problems. If a…

I don't entirely disagree but my kid was with me and I feel like I need someone now to reassure her that blending doesn't magically remove vitamins from food.

( I asked her if blending tomatoes for sauce removed the nutritional value but that's different for reasons that no one understands. )

I'm with you. Eat a variety of food and as close to the natural source as possible. If you think that orange juice and mountain dew are the same because of sugar content than you've lost the plot.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by smt88 »

pshirshov wrote: post #58

> Saccharin breaks the walls of bacterial pathogens, causing them to distort and eventually burst, killing the bacteri Sugar, salt, kerosene and, for example, ethanol, do the same. What is special about saccharin?

You can't put the other things you've listed on a wound in a hospital without some, uh... unpleasantness.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by pshirshov »

hinkley wrote: post #23

Well at least it’s not in vitro. Everything kills bacteria in a Petri dish. But it is topical. So it may do a treat for MRSA but not for resistant pneumonia.

There is a vaccine, which works against SA (including MRSA of course) as both a prevention and a cure: https://www.eapteka.ru/goods/id123804/ The old and mostly unknown legacy of the Soviet medicine. $50 per 20 doses.

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Post by damnesian »

timcobb wrote: post #53
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

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> if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid Nobody was seriously arguing against fresh-squeezed juices (especially when served with the pulp).

With pulp we're getting somewhere, but without pulp?

there is still the folate and magnesium citrate. and of course vitamin c. It's not completely useless without pulp.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by nineplay »

amarcheschi wrote: post #60
nineplay wrote: post #57

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Because no one wants to drink water all day every day and nothing else.

It probably has to do with not being American, but at least here in italy it's completely fine to drink water and only that on a regular day. I do give that there's probably more variety, I know some people having preferences for certain bottled waters over others (I'll gladly drink whatever water I find, but I'm not a fan of the plastic taste of some bottled waters and definitely a hater of refrigerator-cold water)…

I drink water in the US every day just fine, I don't think there's anything cultural going on here.

No one drinks coffee or tea or beer or wine in Italy? Pop culture has deceived me.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by nineplay »

smt88 wrote: post #59
nineplay wrote: post #56

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People below you in this thread are saying that fresh squeezed orange juice is little better than Mountain Dew. Something about nutrition makes people lose their minds.

They are correct in terms of nutrition and sugar, but most kids can process a lot of sugar fine. Fruit has also been bred to be much sweeter and less nutritious than it was 50 years ago, so there's that too. Moderation is the key to everything.

I agree but no one makes headlines or sells books by talking about nuance and moderation so we get terrible advice from magazines and 'professionals' and all get steadily less healthy.

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Post by officeplant »

hinkley wrote: post #27
latchkey wrote: post #19

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My problem with monk fruit extracts is that they tend to be full of erythritol (even listing them as the first ingredient [0]), which tends to wreck my stomach. I was in a super market once and not a single product on the shelf was pure monk fruit. [0] https://www.amazon.com/RAW-Natural-Sweetener-Erythritol-Suga...

I think they’re using erythritol because it’s not toxic to pets which some of the other sugar alcohols are, and disastrously so. But all of the sugar alcohols can mess with your gut biome. Mine went nasty during the previous recession when I was chewing gum for TMJ related problems.

- I was chewing gum for TMJ related problems.

Why the hell would you do that? My life time of chewing gum constantly until my 20s is what I assume to be the source of my TMJ.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by wao0uuno »

nineplay wrote: post #57
timcobb wrote: post #52

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> So really, if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid because fruit = sugar = bad? It's such a reductionist way to look at food and nutrition. Sorta? It's not bad , right? But it has not much nutritional value, and spikes their glycemic index, which is probably fine but... why? I guess it does taste good...

Because no one wants to drink water all day every day and nothing else.

I don’t see anything wrong with drinking only water.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nineplay wrote: post #56
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid Nobody was seriously arguing against fresh-squeezed juices (especially when served with the pulp).

People below you in this thread are saying that fresh squeezed orange juice is little better than Mountain Dew. Something about nutrition makes people lose their minds.

> fresh squeezed orange juice is little better than Mountain Dew

A reasonable way to look at it is as a flat, fortified Mountain Dew. Great as a treat. Bad as a habit, at least with modern oranges.

Re: Sweetener saccharin shows surprise power against antibiotic resistance

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Post by MyOutfitIsVague »

nineplay wrote: post #45
jader201 wrote: post #20

These days, about the only liquid you can consume without controversy is water. Some say coffee is good for you (in moderation), some say it's bad for you. Some say certain alcoholic drinks are good for you (in moderation), some say no amount of alcohol is good. Some say some artificial sweeteners have benefits, some say all of them are toxic. Some think fruit juices are good for you, because fruit. Some (most) say t…

The 'no fruit juice' thing really got on my nerves when my kids were little since people just throw it out with no qualifications. So really, if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid because fruit = sugar = bad? It's such a reductionist way to look at food and nutrition. I also recently had a PT tell me that blending fruit into smoothies removes all the nutritional value, wh…

> if I cut up some oranges and squeeze the juice into a cup I can't give it to my kid because fruit = sugar = bad?

Yeah, that's fine, but a 16 ounce glass of orange juice has way more than one orange in it, and it's got a hell of a lot of sugar.

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