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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

d3nj4l wrote: post #399
DeathArrow wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

Yeah, tourists like to go to places with low crime rates. In fact, when I’m a tourist, I pick where to go solely based on the crime rates!

I hope that's true. In some places there are high chances to be robbed, killed or kidnapped as a tourist. The more wealthy you seem to the criminals, the higher the danger.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by lukas099 »

amelius wrote: post #135
qoez wrote: post #4

The US used to be the coolest place I'd do anything to visit growing up. In the last decade or so it's become way more unattractive and not worth the effort compared to alternatives.

> The US used to be the coolest place I'd do anything to visit growing up. Huh, city centers in Europe are way nicer than anything I've seen in the US. But maybe you're more interested in other things.

Europe definitely has nicer cities. IMO the main reason to visit the U.S. is its National Parks. NYC is cool too for the diversity of cultures.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by palata »

DeathArrow wrote: post #405
b112 wrote: post #220

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but I think it’s going to far to say most Americans don’t care about the impact elsewhere. Indeed. Recently in Palo Alto for a few months. Saw lots of people protesting Tesla dealerships, lots of interesting and creative anti-Trump and Elon signs. Not one word of Canada, of Greenland. Trumps stated goal of destroying Canada's economy to force annexation, or to outright just take Greenland seem not protest worthy. Mos…

Why should US citizens deeply care about Canada? It's not their country, they don't live there. Don't tell me Canadians lose sleep thinking about the well being of US.

Ask that to the US companies that were relying on Canada, I suppose.

A partnership goes both ways. Caring about a partner is caring about yourself.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ciupicri »

kccqzy wrote: post #296
avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

Trump won the popular vote unfortunately. Most of the country couldn't vote at all because they are immigrants (not citizens) or because of any of the structural reasons why they couldn't take time off to vote or they were intimated at the ballot box. Voting day still isn't a federal holiday.

Why would immigrants who are not citizens vote?

Anyway, what about vote by mail? Also voting day could be changed to Sunday.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Bombthecat »

vain wrote: post #211
taylodl wrote: post #89

Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? It's the same reason Tesla sales have fallen off a cliff. You can only mistreat people so much before they push back.

This at least reflects my feelings about visiting anytime soon. I mean if I was just put on a flight back (for a tweet they found on my phone or such), that'd be kind of bearable. At least one visitor from the UK got locked up in a facility for a week.

Yes, I have family in the USA, usually visiting them two or three times a year.

Not gonna happen this year, probably the next 3 years or more.

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Post by tremon »

pc86 wrote: post #452
elric wrote: post #192

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Anecdotally: a couple of years after 9/11, when I was a student, some of my friends who travelled to the US mysteriously disappeared for a few days. Turns out someone in the friend group had done some hackery type things (I won't go into more details to preserve their anonymity), and they were basically "detained" and interrogated for several days without being able to notify anyone, including any potential lawyers (…

I'd like to provide a counterargument that it's not "iffy" to detain and question people who you're not sure sure should be allowed into the country at a point of entry, and that basically every country on the planet does it. Non-citizens at US points of entry have very limited constitutional protection. SCOTUS has consistently held that the federal government has broad authority over immigration and border control.…

It's probably more like "your first sentence doesn't address the GP's situation at all, so the rest of the post is just gonna be grandstanding without foundation". Which happens to be a correct assessment of your post.

Specifically, "disappeared for a few days" is not at all what basically every country on the planet does.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

pjc50 wrote: post #352
DeathArrow wrote: post #346

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That's not a plural, it's the standard English pronoun for a person whose gender isn't specified.

That's interesting, because when I learned English in school the pronoun for "a person whose gender isn't specified" was he.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by belter »

paulgb wrote: post #446
belter wrote: post #390

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"Aussie MMA Coach’s Trip to America Goes Horribly Wrong as He Ends Up in Jail & Deported After Arriving in U.S." - https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-aussie-mma-co...

His story is a bit suspicious to me, I believe that he was detained but I can't help wondering if the rest is fiction based on watching US prison dramas. He would not have been sent to a federal prison for one thing, and his depictions of violence are what I would expect from long-term convicted felons, not people being held for having the wrong visa.

Willing to concede that. But he has thousands of followers and is well known in the MMA comunity. Would he throw all that away for a good story? Also there is an update: "Update on U.S. federal prison detention of MMA coach Renato Subotic who recently trained Merab Dvalishvili"

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-update-u-s-federal-pris...

"UPDATE: I just spoke with coach Renato Subotic for a few minutes. He says he was detained at FDC Honolulu, which is a federal prison facility. He says he has no criminal record and it was a simple visa application issue. Interview later this week."

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by addicted »

paulgb wrote: post #446
belter wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Aussie MMA Coach’s Trip to America Goes Horribly Wrong as He Ends Up in Jail & Deported After Arriving in U.S." - https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-aussie-mma-co...

His story is a bit suspicious to me, I believe that he was detained but I can't help wondering if the rest is fiction based on watching US prison dramas. He would not have been sent to a federal prison for one thing, and his depictions of violence are what I would expect from long-term convicted felons, not people being held for having the wrong visa.

The rest doesn’t matter.

No one wants to be detained.

People who are spending thousands and tens of thousands of dollars to travel are fine if they need to spend a few hundreds additional ro fly back and cancel their vacation. Or sucks but it’s in the realm of the risks you take with international travel.

However, being detained, even for 1 day, and treated like a criminal is something none of these folks want.

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