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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

palata wrote: post #110
potato3732842 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

When the President of the United States threatens to invade ex-allies, I don't think that the threatened people give a shit about what the American people think about it. The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? Of course most Americans don't want random people detained. But still, this is happening in the US. And one thing that I believe is absolutely clear outsid…

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by senordevnyc »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #173
PaulRobinson wrote: post #54

If non-US citizens can be deported to El Salvador without due process for having a tattoo that an ICE officer deems to be "gang-related", you're immediately going to alienate most of the World's population from wanting to visit for any purpose. The lack of due process and the threat of extradition on a whim is one that feels less likely to happen to me as a caucasian with US citizens as family, but the impact of it w…

When they'll deport innocent US citizens to El Salvador and then argue it's impossible to get them back I don't have any hope at all as a visitor. There's no way in hell I'm stepping foot in the United States right now.

To be fair, I don’t think we have any evidence of this happening to a citizen yet. I’m guessing we will soon though :(

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Juliate »

pjc50 wrote: post #379
enaaem wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most stuff on Amazon is made in China anyways. Might as well order directly from Aliexpress or the producer's website. Exactly the same items, but without the American middleman.

There's definitely going to be some sort of EU-China rapprochement now. Not that China is less oppressive - they remain more oppressive, and I wouldn't like to, say, get caught with weed going into China. But they're much less loudly annoying about it. (another one to watch out for: opiate painkillers in your hand luggage into Middle Eastern states, including Dubai.)

And they're much more consistent/predictable than the US, at this point.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ulfw »

potato3732842 wrote: post #98
ulfw wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you trying to argue though? I am a bit at a loss to follow. Be so kind and explain. You want foreign readers to read news about how half of the US wants you, the foreign tourist, be locked up in a jail cell? The news is already out there. Everyone assumes it's so wanted, because well... it does actually happen

I'm not arguing anything. I'm agreeing. Why do I have to be arguing? "ICE goes crazy looking for crimes, hapless tourists caught up in the boondoggle" and "ICE detaining tourists for no good reason" Are both 100% true ways to headline the same events. Which framing is Europe getting? This is something to watch out for on all issues, not just immigration/foreign affairs.

As a potential tourist to the US of A I could not possibly care less if I am detained due to a boondoggle or for no good reason. Both make me not want to ever go there again.

So ...?

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Post by DeathArrow »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #138
palata wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the President of the United States threatens to invade ex-allies, I don't think that the threatened people give a shit about what the American people think about it. The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? Of course most Americans don't want random people detained. But still, this is happening in the US. And one thing that I believe is absolutely clear outsid…

> There is this kind of American patriotism Doesn‘t look much different from Russian, Israeli or Chinese patriotism. When outsiders criticize your tribe for doing bad things, many are standing in support of the tribe, not the values, and they are the most visible.

Isn't it natural to support your people?

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Post by dfxm12 »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #349
dfxm12 wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote But yes, there is also the political climate coupled with the article & what's generally going on in the world.

Did you honestly think my question about monoculture was directed at their "political climate" comment and not the comment about cost? I did not think their comments implied a connection between the value of being a tourist in the US and a their concerns over politics. Maybe if it were much cheaper they wouldn't care about the politics, but that doesn't seem likely to me.

Yes, but reading over this thread, you've made it clear how you've misinterpreted the post you originally responded to.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by cjpearson »

ta1243 wrote: post #186
I_am_tiberius wrote: post #111

I guess in the 1930s, Americans had similar thoughts about Germans.

Many americans loved what Hitler was doing to Make Germany Great Again. Charles Lindbergh for example blamed the Jews for WW2 > National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our [USA] population favored a similar course for America. ... The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roose…

While there were certainly many Nazi sympathizers, one should not extrapolate the desire to stay out of the war as widespread support for Germany.

Popular opinion was generally against the third reich. In 1936 there was an ultimately unsuccessful effort to boycott the Berlin Olympics and in 1938 94% of Americans disapproved of Germany's antisemitic policies. [0][1]

When the war started, opinion varied depending on the question. When asked about directly entering the war most were indeed against it. However, if asked simply about supporting England, France and Poland, Americans were strongly in favor. They supported providing humanitarian and military aid and rejecting any of Germany's territorial claims. [2] The more complicated question was if America should continue supporting England even if that risked involvement in the war. In early 1940 about 35% were in favor, rising to 70% by Autumn 1941. [3]

[0]: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-moveme...

[1]: https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/to...

[2]: https://news.gallup.com/vault/265865/gallup-vault-opinion-st...

[3]: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/72361

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Post by stephen_g »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

There’s not a lot of hate of the American people, but unfortunately we have to deal with the US Government when travelling and deal with their trade framework with importing and exporting.

If anything I feel sympathy for the American people now that I and many others feel strongly compelled to avoid US services and products, and avoid travelling and spending my tourist and business dollars into your economy based on the actions of Trump and the Republicans!

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by belter »

vain wrote: post #211
taylodl wrote: post #89

Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? It's the same reason Tesla sales have fallen off a cliff. You can only mistreat people so much before they push back.

This at least reflects my feelings about visiting anytime soon. I mean if I was just put on a flight back (for a tweet they found on my phone or such), that'd be kind of bearable. At least one visitor from the UK got locked up in a facility for a week.

"Aussie MMA Coach’s Trip to America Goes Horribly Wrong as He Ends Up in Jail & Deported After Arriving in U.S." - https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-aussie-mma-co...
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