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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by palata »

DeathArrow wrote: post #381
palata wrote: post #110

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When the President of the United States threatens to invade ex-allies, I don't think that the threatened people give a shit about what the American people think about it. The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? Of course most Americans don't want random people detained. But still, this is happening in the US. And one thing that I believe is absolutely clear outsid…

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Do you live in a cave? The current US president, obviously.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by elric »

jeffbee wrote: post #260
elric wrote: post #192

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Anecdotally: a couple of years after 9/11, when I was a student, some of my friends who travelled to the US mysteriously disappeared for a few days. Turns out someone in the friend group had done some hackery type things (I won't go into more details to preserve their anonymity), and they were basically "detained" and interrogated for several days without being able to notify anyone, including any potential lawyers (…

"Some of my friends, who are criminals, were questioned by border police" is not what we are discussing.

That is very much not what I said. Additionally: some of recent people who've been detained are "criminals" as well, a missing document, a tattoo-gun there on a tourist visum, etc. Doesn't make it right to treat them like utter garbage or to make their rights disappear.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by ivan_gammel »

DeathArrow wrote: post #386
ivan_gammel wrote: post #138

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> There is this kind of American patriotism Doesn‘t look much different from Russian, Israeli or Chinese patriotism. When outsiders criticize your tribe for doing bad things, many are standing in support of the tribe, not the values, and they are the most visible.

Isn't it natural to support your people?

It is false association. Your government != your people. It is not natural to defend your government regardless of their actions.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by Juliate »

drstewart wrote: post #364
tgv wrote: post #285

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People buy lottery tickets knowing very well they are almost certainly not going to win. But you never know. You might get rich. You buy the ticket is the prize is tempting enough. Likewise, you avoid a low probability risk when the outcome is bad enough.

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This is not really... what you expect it is, I think.

There are more people killed in mass shootings in the USA every year than there have been people killed in attacks during Christmas in Europe, like, ever.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by DeathArrow »

b112 wrote: post #220
brookst wrote: post #145

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> most Americans are perfectly fine with "America First". I agree with everything you said, except this. Sub “many” and I’d go with it. But at least here, in blue state / more-sane land, there is widespread horror and outrage. We’re only at the “tens of thousands of people protesting” stage and I’ll be the first to say Americans need to do more, but I think it’s going to far to say most Americans don’t care about the…

but I think it’s going to far to say most Americans don’t care about the impact elsewhere. Indeed. Recently in Palo Alto for a few months. Saw lots of people protesting Tesla dealerships, lots of interesting and creative anti-Trump and Elon signs. Not one word of Canada, of Greenland. Trumps stated goal of destroying Canada's economy to force annexation, or to outright just take Greenland seem not protest worthy. Mos…

Why should US citizens deeply care about Canada? It's not their country, they don't live there. Don't tell me Canadians lose sleep thinking about the well being of US.

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Post by pseudalopex »

b112 wrote: post #220
brookst wrote: post #145

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> most Americans are perfectly fine with "America First". I agree with everything you said, except this. Sub “many” and I’d go with it. But at least here, in blue state / more-sane land, there is widespread horror and outrage. We’re only at the “tens of thousands of people protesting” stage and I’ll be the first to say Americans need to do more, but I think it’s going to far to say most Americans don’t care about the…

but I think it’s going to far to say most Americans don’t care about the impact elsewhere. Indeed. Recently in Palo Alto for a few months. Saw lots of people protesting Tesla dealerships, lots of interesting and creative anti-Trump and Elon signs. Not one word of Canada, of Greenland. Trumps stated goal of destroying Canada's economy to force annexation, or to outright just take Greenland seem not protest worthy. Mos…

The Hands Off protests had signs and chants saying hands off Canada and hands off Greenland. And I think it's understandable current events have higher priorities than possible events.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by skyyler »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #287
otikik wrote: post #268

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No, they said it is "ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist". Which now includes a possibility of getting detained while trying to enter.

Do you think they were talking about ICE because they mentioned the cost of tourism? I don't think they were referring to risk of detainment with that comment.

"What you get as a tourist" now includes the threat of indefinite detention in a for-profit prison. The "political climate" includes the indefinite detention of people that did nothing wrong.

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Post by [deleted] »

senordevnyc wrote: post #383
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #173

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When they'll deport innocent US citizens to El Salvador and then argue it's impossible to get them back I don't have any hope at all as a visitor. There's no way in hell I'm stepping foot in the United States right now.

To be fair, I don’t think we have any evidence of this happening to a citizen yet. I’m guessing we will soon though :(

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by palata »

scottLobster wrote: post #176
palata wrote: post #110

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When the President of the United States threatens to invade ex-allies, I don't think that the threatened people give a shit about what the American people think about it. The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? Of course most Americans don't want random people detained. But still, this is happening in the US. And one thing that I believe is absolutely clear outsid…

"Most" in this case means 49.81% of the vote, with 48.34% voting against. And that's with people largely expecting Trump to behave the same way as last time and a historically unpopular Democratic candidate. Whatever right wing cope you may have read, if the election were held today he'd probably lose. Granted I don't blame foreigners for not risking ICE abuse. And Hockey fans can just be dumb sometimes. A lot of Ame…

> Whatever right wing cope you may have read

I haven't. I am just telling how I believe it is perceived from outside the US. It seems like Americans here find it a bit excessive for tourists to choose not to come to the US "just because of a mistake at the border". I'm trying to say that from the outside, the US is behaving at least like a big bully, sometimes like an enemy. You don't go on vacation in a country that threatens to attack you militarily.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by taylodl »

bambax wrote: post #157
taylodl wrote: post #89

Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? It's the same reason Tesla sales have fallen off a cliff. You can only mistreat people so much before they push back.

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For business meetings, as you say, the world is a big place and if you really need to meet person-to-person in North America then you have both Canada and Mexico as options.
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