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Post by enaaem »

TwoNineA wrote: post #142
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. From my point of view, if POTUS blathers about annexing Canada, then the US doesn't deserve my tourist dollars, neither my Netflix subscription, neither my Amazon prime subscription. I've cut back on purchases/subscriptions from US companies as much as it…

Most stuff on Amazon is made in China anyways. Might as well order directly from Aliexpress or the producer's website. Exactly the same items, but without the American middleman.

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Post by piva00 »

drstewart wrote: post #233
piva00 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I travel quite a bit, and there are only 2 places on Earth where I was close to a shooting happening in real time: São Paulo, Brazil, and Oakland, California. As much as the scenarios can be rare, there is an undeniable sense of everything hanging by a thin thread when traveling around the USA, which I've only experienced in Latin American countries in all my trips. Giving that I'm originally from Brazil even though…

I travel even more than you and only got robbed twice in 40 years on earth: in Johannesburg, South Africa and Stockholm, Sweden. You can claim it's rare, but it happened on 100% of my trips to Sweden. Therefore, I will never travel back to Sweden. It's just not worth it and I have no idea what could happen (stabbing? murder?). Nothing in Sweden is worth the absolute fear this country provokes.

Please don't come here, it's definitely dangerous and you shouldn't ever step foot here again to avoid any danger to your life, it's a hellhole that no one like you should ever attempt to visit :)

It's not rare, it will happen to you. Do not come.

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Post by hylaride »

chimeracoder wrote: post #161
ta1243 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European passport? With a Canadian or American passport (until recently)? No problem. With an Iranian passport? Probably more problems.

> With a Canadian or American passport (until recently)? No problem. First of all, the folks profiling and detaining you don't ask you where your passport is from first - they'll generally make the decision and then ask for your documentation. But even then, I have a US passport, and I've had far more issues being detained in European airports than I have in the US - which is really saying something.

> First of all, the folks profiling and detaining you don't ask you where your passport is from first - they'll generally make the decision and then ask for your documentation.

It depends. Most countries do have certain kinds of extra policies for passports of certain countries. For example, Visa fraud, especially for education visas, is extremely common from India. So extra checks for those that the acceptance letter isn't from some diploma mill and that they're not coming to work illegally tends to to occur more often.

But the same is true for local citizens that make odd, quick trips to certain countries that tend to be sources for drug smuggling - you're going to probably get pulled aside.

Being a border guard is 40% art, 40% science, 10% luck, and 10% other.

> But even then, I have a US passport, and I've had far more issues being detained in European airports than I have in the US - which is really saying something.

You're a citizen, though. Unless they think you're importing something you shouldn't, you're far less likely to be hassled as you have more rights than others.

As a Canadian, I found that Canadian border agents tend to harass their own citizens, especially at land crossings, because the default assumption seems to be we're trying to dodge paying duties.

I've found American border guards mostly tend to act terse and rude (possibly as a strategy to try and trip you up?), though some of the nicest I've ever met were also American. I've found most EU guards with my Canadian passport to be bored and slow, though that may be because most Canadians going to Europe are just vacationing?

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Post by tgv »

baxtr wrote: post #139

I think it's relevant to consider the baseline. Based on a quick online research, I estimate there are about 30-40k visitors landing from Europe in the US on any day. So roughly 3 million people in the last 3 months. I have seen maybe 5-10 very prominent cases in the last 3 months. Are these numbers roughly correct? Do we have any knowledge that this number is higher than before?

People buy lottery tickets knowing very well they are almost certainly not going to win. But you never know. You might get rich. You buy the ticket is the prize is tempting enough. Likewise, you avoid a low probability risk when the outcome is bad enough.

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Post by kolektiv »

QuantumSeed wrote: post #39

I've cancelled my planned visits outside of the US for fear of being unwelcome and fear of difficulty getting back into the US.

Just to note that in most places at the moment (unless you turn up in that red baseball cap...) the attitude to most Americans is likely to be a kind of horrified pity (again, unless you start saying how great it all is). Most people are generally aware that Trump doesn't have universal support, and unlike your own media apparently, we do get coverage of protests and so on. Getting back into your own country though, yeah that might be a problem. Sorry.

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Post by davidmurdoch »

otikik wrote: post #268
davidmurdoch wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the US is a monoculture?

No, they said it is "ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist". Which now includes a possibility of getting detained while trying to enter.

Do you think they were talking about ICE because they mentioned the cost of tourism? I don't think they were referring to risk of detainment with that comment.

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Post by marvin »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

Norwegian here. People collectively lost their minds after the 2024 election. The USA is a great country, embodying values that bring out the best in humanity. You don't deserve this hate.

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Post by plumarr »

hartator wrote: post #198
sofixa wrote: post #120

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> Out of curiosity, what do you think it's like to travel to Europe as someone who is dark-skinned, has a beard, and does not have a European passport? Depends on which part of Europe. In the more diverse parts, nobody would bat an eyelid (even if border police might profile you). EU Eastern Europe, you might get funny looks but it's still not an extraordinary situation to have various shades of skin colour (e.g. Syr…

> Nobody will throw you in jail in indefinite detention in another country with no human rights because of your skin colour, beard, tattoos or anything of the like. Most EU country police don’t need probable cause to detain you. It does happen to be detained for no reason outside of profiling. For example, in France, you can be sent to jail for up to 24h with no probable cause.

> For example, in France, you can be sent to jail for up to 24h with no probable cause.

There must be a probable cause : https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F14837

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