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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by windward »

DeathArrow wrote: post #335
alxlaz wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^ this. Once (oh, actually twice!) while travelling, I have had entirely benign trouble with paperwork (things like not filling a form correctly on the first attempt). Explaining the circumstances to someone who has to figure out if you're scatter-brained, unlucky, or an actual criminal, isn't particularly fun, but it's been entirely professional and civilised. We resolved it all in about half an hour. Didn't even mi…

So you genuinely think that if you go to the US you have a high risk of being imprisoned without due process even if you you don't break any US law?

It doesn't have to be high to be negative EV

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by walls »

baxtr wrote: post #139

I think it's relevant to consider the baseline. Based on a quick online research, I estimate there are about 30-40k visitors landing from Europe in the US on any day. So roughly 3 million people in the last 3 months. I have seen maybe 5-10 very prominent cases in the last 3 months. Are these numbers roughly correct? Do we have any knowledge that this number is higher than before?

The odds that every case becomes high profile seems unlikely. It's probably much worse.

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Post by Juliate »

DeathArrow wrote: post #335
alxlaz wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^ this. Once (oh, actually twice!) while travelling, I have had entirely benign trouble with paperwork (things like not filling a form correctly on the first attempt). Explaining the circumstances to someone who has to figure out if you're scatter-brained, unlucky, or an actual criminal, isn't particularly fun, but it's been entirely professional and civilised. We resolved it all in about half an hour. Didn't even mi…

So you genuinely think that if you go to the US you have a high risk of being imprisoned without due process even if you you don't break any US law?

...yes? The risk is now definitely higher (and advertised by your own administration) than in many other destinations on Earth.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by drstewart »

tgv wrote: post #285
baxtr wrote: post #139

I think it's relevant to consider the baseline. Based on a quick online research, I estimate there are about 30-40k visitors landing from Europe in the US on any day. So roughly 3 million people in the last 3 months. I have seen maybe 5-10 very prominent cases in the last 3 months. Are these numbers roughly correct? Do we have any knowledge that this number is higher than before?

People buy lottery tickets knowing very well they are almost certainly not going to win. But you never know. You might get rich. You buy the ticket is the prize is tempting enough. Likewise, you avoid a low probability risk when the outcome is bad enough.

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Post by margalabargala »

baketnk wrote: post #227
praptak wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-punitive my ass. The German tourist was put for eight days in solitary confinement: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-t...

there's never backstory given, we're just supposed to automatically feel bad and never get to have a real story about why that decision is made. this is less of a defense of ICE than more of a push for transparency so we don't have to deal with low information appeals to emotion.

What reason is there to think that there is any more backstory? More transparency might yield new information, but it might not. The situation might simply be exactly as it appears.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by buyucu »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

It's not just Trump. US was already very hostile to the rest of the world and Trump just dialed it up to 11.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by easyThrowaway »

avalys wrote: post #273

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

Hate? I get we're on a completely different page - but if you asked most people in Canada or EU right now they would tell you we're scared, not hateful.

We're fully aware that the guy who put tariffs because he got angry at us on a whim is the same guy who can launch the nukes.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

bambax wrote: post #157
taylodl wrote: post #89

Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? It's the same reason Tesla sales have fallen off a cliff. You can only mistreat people so much before they push back.

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I often have a hard time telling which is the madman and which is the Nazi friend.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by pjc50 »

TwoNineA wrote: post #142
aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. From my point of view, if POTUS blathers about annexing Canada, then the US doesn't deserve my tourist dollars, neither my Netflix subscription, neither my Amazon prime subscription. I've cut back on purchases/subscriptions from US companies as much as it…

The threats to Canada aren't attracting nearly as much attention as they should. The problem is people have got too used to just assuming that what Trump says is bullshit: it's just there to sound good on the news, there's no intent to actually do it. Then the tariffs hit.

If there's the slightest possibility that what he says is not bullshit, then Canada needs to take it very seriously and the entire northern hemisphere security architecture needs to permanently change.

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Post by johannes1234321 »

bilbo0s wrote: post #222
johannes1234321 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crazy can be interesting. But risk of crazily being arrested and being put in a crazy American jail ... well, makes more people hesitant. And then add all the other rethoric and actions, which don't make the contemporary U.S. the place it was once idealized to be.

I'll just come out and say it, "crazy" is "interesting" only when the "crazy" is happening to other people. If the "crazy" is gonna happen to you, yeah, that's an entirely different story.

Absolutely true, but "crazy" is a lot broader.

Looking at the crazy New York city, with the crazy architecture and such or going othe replaces and seeing the crazy car centric structures, but also the crazy neighborhood between rich and poor or just the crazy landscape around Grand Canyon or Niagara Falls.

The positive crazy compared to negative crazy sums up less and less to a positive value, though.

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