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Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by nkozyra »

aiisahik wrote: post #13

Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end. It's one thing to refuse entry to someone who doesn't have the right documents. The fear goes to a completely different level once people see tourists getting locked up. As someone who lived in the US for 22 years legally and most of my social and business…

> Americans do not understand how much press there is outside the US about tourists from Ireland / Germany / Canada getting locked up in ICE jails for weeks on end.

We read about it, too. It just seems absolutely nobody close to power is willing to do anything to even tap the brakes.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by bilbo0s »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #80
theothertimcook wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a lot of people a certain level of crazy was the thing that made the US interesting. I make an effort to avoid and me mindful/critical or news/culture war stuff but at the same time. I’ve got this instinctive vibe that now is not the best time to be visiting the US.

Crazy can be interesting. But risk of crazily being arrested and being put in a crazy American jail ... well, makes more people hesitant. And then add all the other rethoric and actions, which don't make the contemporary U.S. the place it was once idealized to be.

I'll just come out and say it, "crazy" is "interesting" only when the "crazy" is happening to other people.

If the "crazy" is gonna happen to you, yeah, that's an entirely different story.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by johnnyanmac »

badgersnake wrote: post #58
potato3732842 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia. Exactly. Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very…

There’s no reason to lock tourists up. If you don’t want them put them on the first flight back. Locking people up is expensive and if they’re willing to leave anyway, totally pointless. You would think that a country with a whole department devoted to government efficiency could work that out.

>There’s no reason to lock tourists up.

As has been a rising sentiment as of late: "The cruelty is the point"

You're right that it isn't efficient in any sense. But the kinds of people who go into and are chosen for "law enforcement" tend to be the very people that should never be given a weapon. It's just a large scale Stanford Experiment in that regard.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by dangrie158 »

drstewart wrote: post #61
titaphraz wrote: post #23

Countries all over the world are issuing US travel warnings. If there's an error or mistake on your visa you risk being detained by ICE for weeks on end or even end up in the Gulag in El Salvador. For European visitors, they can see the fascism miles away. A lot of Europe was occupied by Hitler while the US wasn't. The extraordinary claim that Musk's salute wasn't a Nazi salute is mind boggling. Even when people have…

>Countries all over the world are issuing US travel warnings. Can you post the plain text of these "travel warnings"?

This is linked right in the article: https://www.axios.com/2025/03/23/allies-issue-usa-travel-gui...

In it you’ll find several direct links to the official warnings

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by dfxm12 »

n4r9 wrote: post #75

Can anyone explain why the number of US passengers increased in a proportion at the same time? Perhaps airlines dropped prices due to the lower demand, causing US citizens to snap up tickets?

People coming home for fear of retaliation? People coming home to help family who might get caught in some detention issue? People who were working for agencies like USAID no longer having a reason to be abroad?

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Post by davidmurdoch »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #152

It also happens to be ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist, and in tough economic times satisfying one's curiosity about the US may not be as high on the list. But yes, there is also the political climate.

Do you think the US is a monoculture?

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by baketnk »

praptak wrote: post #83
goda90 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICE statements about detention say it's supposed to be non-punitive, but clearly it's punishing for the detained. Lots of people get detained for what are actually civil violations or even just suspicion of civil violations, not crimes. We really need a new system. People shouldn't be locked up for more than 24 hours until they've seen a judge, and I imagine in many cases, lockup could be avoided entirely with a cour…

Non-punitive my ass. The German tourist was put for eight days in solitary confinement: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-t...

there's never backstory given, we're just supposed to automatically feel bad and never get to have a real story about why that decision is made.

this is less of a defense of ICE than more of a push for transparency so we don't have to deal with low information appeals to emotion.

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by johnnyanmac »

ornornor wrote: post #93
badgersnake wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no reason to lock tourists up. If you don’t want them put them on the first flight back. Locking people up is expensive and if they’re willing to leave anyway, totally pointless. You would think that a country with a whole department devoted to government efficiency could work that out.

Aren’t a lot of jails private and for profit? Just bill the tourist for the stay and detain until they pay in full (accruing even more debt in the meantime). It makes perfect business sense which is all that seems to matter to the US nowadays.

ICE sure isn't. That is tax payer money at work, sadly.

But yes, there are incentives that do reward cells and even individuals for number of imprisonments. And no, they do not check nor punish "administrative errors".

Re: Foreign visits into the U.S. fell off a cliff in March

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Post by johnnyanmac »

rqtwteye wrote: post #207
exe34 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised they don't require the victim or their family to pay to have them released. Make Piracy/Kidnapping Great Again.

There are places where you get charged something like $60 for a day in prison.

damn, 1800 a month? What am I doing paying rent? /s
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