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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by throw0101d »

Ygg2 wrote: post #185
toddmorey wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was purely an effort to improve margins on the cars that they tried to sell with other types of rationale. From the way I've seen him operate his companies, treat his employees, and now work with the government, he has a high tolerance for risk paired with a very low tolerance for perceived inefficiencies plus too little patience to fully understand the problem. He really embodies the ethos of "move fast and bre…

To quote Black Adder: Some of you may die, but some of us will live!

"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make." — Lord Farquaad, Shrek, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0126029/characters/nm0001475?it...

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by rayiner »

toddmorey wrote: post #142
xbmcuser wrote: post #22

The point I soured on Musk was when he ditched radar/lidar and tried to go with camera's alone. This made me realize he is not the genius he is made out to be but instead he is a fraud/charlatan and over the years his statements on different topics have only hardened that belief. Why the fuck would you want ai cars to be the same as humans you should want them to be many times better and radarr/lidar sonarr type tech…

This was purely an effort to improve margins on the cars that they tried to sell with other types of rationale. From the way I've seen him operate his companies, treat his employees, and now work with the government, he has a high tolerance for risk paired with a very low tolerance for perceived inefficiencies plus too little patience to fully understand the problem. He really embodies the ethos of "move fast and bre…

> He really embodies the ethos of "move fast and break things". So let's fire 80% of the staff, see what falls down, and rehire where we made "mistakes". I really think he has an alarmingly high threshold for the number of lives we can lose if it accelerates the pace of progress.

Which seems like an antidote to the current culture of "don't build anything anywhere."

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by smallmancontrov »

throw0101d wrote: post #221
Ygg2 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To quote Black Adder: Some of you may die, but some of us will live!

"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make." — Lord Farquaad, Shrek , https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0126029/characters/nm0001475?it...

The irony is almost palpable, invoking this quote against a system that is driving 600 million miles a quarter without the 8 deaths a human would cause over the same distance.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by Hikikomori »

dagw wrote: post #23
erikpukinskis wrote: post #5

I’m normally quite skeptical of these kinds of “Tesla More Dangerous Than Other Brands” headlines since they tend to be B.S. But this seems like a pretty legitimate accusation, and certainly a well researched write-up at the very least.

Without knowing how many FSD miles Teslas have done compared to other brands, it's hard to judge. It could just be that Tesla owners are far more likely to trust and use their cars FSD capabilities, and thus end up in more FSD accidents. Other brands might have so bad FSD that people simply not trust it and basically never use it, and thus never get into an FSD accident.

How good can it be if it rear ends motorcycles?

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by throw0101d »

Retric wrote: post #146
jfengel wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I misread your first sentence, in that having multiple pilots is not necessarily a good thing, like multiple cooks. You have a main and a backup pilot, but either one must be 100% capable of doing it on their own. The backup is silently double checking, but their assignments are more about ensuring that the copilot doesn't just check out because they're human. If the copilot ever has to say "don't do that it's going…

Cars unlike aircraft don’t need to move forward to maintain safety. If the lidar normally has very good uptime but happens to break, you need to safely come to a complete stop and that’s basically it. Trusting vision systems for 30 seconds or even 30 minutes over the lifetime of a car is very different than trusting them for 30,000 hours. So for edge cases sure, add a “this is an emergency drive to a hospital without…

> So for edge cases sure, add a “this is an emergency drive to a hospital without LiDAR” mode but you don’t need to handle normal driving without them.

As a comparison for planes, there are not "this is an emergency, please land yourself" buttons for smaller aircraft:

* https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/aviation/five-ways-garmin-...

* https://www.garmin.com/en-US/legal/aluse/

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by michaelt »

timschmidt wrote: post #193
jdiff wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla's valuation is based on the heady tales that Musk spins. It's not based on the fact that reality falls far short of them.

Engineering entirely new things isn't like making another set of silverware, there are unforeseeable complications, and all forward looking statements are estimates or projections at best. Success seems to depend most on how many times you're able to try. Maybe I'm just old, but development roadmaps are always vapor, until they aren't, which happens sometimes. Always been that way. To be clear, I'd much rather my veh…

By traditional measures like profit-to-equity ratio, Tesla is overpriced coated to the likes of Toyota, Ford and BMW.

And not just a little bit - it’s way overpriced.

There are a bunch of possible explanations for this. One is that investors believe full self driving will come out really soon and work really well.

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Post by [deleted] »

xbmcuser wrote: post #22

The point I soured on Musk was when he ditched radar/lidar and tried to go with camera's alone. This made me realize he is not the genius he is made out to be but instead he is a fraud/charlatan and over the years his statements on different topics have only hardened that belief. Why the fuck would you want ai cars to be the same as humans you should want them to be many times better and radarr/lidar sonarr type tech…

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Post by turnsout »

turnsout wrote: post #166
xbmcuser wrote: post #22

The point I soured on Musk was when he ditched radar/lidar and tried to go with camera's alone. This made me realize he is not the genius he is made out to be but instead he is a fraud/charlatan and over the years his statements on different topics have only hardened that belief. Why the fuck would you want ai cars to be the same as humans you should want them to be many times better and radarr/lidar sonarr type tech…

His biographer estimates his IQ is 100-110. [0] [0] https://x.com/SethAbramson/status/1892710698683142638

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Post by miltonlost »

darthrupert wrote: post #102
dingnuts wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if this hasn't been obvious for a decade you need a more varied news diet.

He did deliver on several fronts for a long time and seemed like a serious person. But people can change, and not always for the better. But yeah, like Sam Harris says now, perhaps I didn't know the real Musk.

He seemed like a serious person when he called a cave diver as a pedo guy (more than six months ago)? Maybe you need to rethink what "serious" means to you if all that matters is "delivering". Have some better morals.
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