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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#51

When I used to ride, getting rear ended at a stop was one of my biggest fears other than people blowing stop signs. I always left more space in front of me that would give me room to maneuver as I watched for the car behind me to make the stop.

I just want to compound on this one.

If you get rear ended at a stoplight or stopsign it’s very likely the motorcyclist is not at fault. The motorcyclist suffers significantly more bodily injury than a car driver would in a similar collision. As a motorcyclist, you can tell that sometimes people just don’t see you because their brain is looking for something car shaped.

When I ride, every time I stop at a stoplight or stopsign I am watching my rear view mirror to judge if the person behind me is going to stop, and I have an exit strategy if they don’t. Ive had some close calls.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#52
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not relevant to what? Those people are still dead.

The shortcomings of 2 year old software is not relevant, because that's not what the cars run now.

What evidence do you have that Tesla has meaningfully improved the software to fix the referenced issues since then?

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#53

The point I soured on Musk was when he ditched radar/lidar and tried to go with camera's alone. This made me realize he is not the genius he is made out to be but instead he is a fraud/charlatan and over the years his statements on different topics have only hardened that belief. Why the fuck would you want ai cars to be the same as humans you should want them to be many times better and radarr/lidar sonarr type tech…

Multiple independent sensor streams is like having multiple pilots fly a plane instead of just one pilot. The chance of a fatal error (false negative identification of an object near the car) decreases from p to p^n. The size of that decrease is not intuitive: if p=0.0001 it now becomes a much smaller number with the introduction of a second pilot or second independent sensor stream (0.0001^2). Now the errors are not…

Not at all. The car should be smart enough to figure out which sensor is faulty. Otherwise, the car should not be driving itself at all.

It's more like, a pilot has access to multiple sensors. Which they do.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#54

I would have been skeptical of news like this in the past, but the last 6 months have shown that Elon Musk doesn't give a fuck about human tragedy. Or truth.

if this hasn't been obvious for a decade you need a more varied news diet.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#55
post #9

This article does not adjust for the fact that Teslas drive many more miles on Autopilot + FSD than any other brand. So it's a pretty worthless comparison.

"It’s not just that self-driving cars in general are dangerous for motorcycles, either: this problem is unique to Tesla. Not a single other automobile manufacturer or ADAS self-driving technology provider reported a single motorcycle fatality in the same time frame." Doesn't matter when mileage isn't what's being compared - it's whether or not others have caused the same problem - PERIOD.

That's just probability. In a binomial distribution with 0 0

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lane filtering solves this fear. Should be legal nation wide.

Lane filtering is apparently "lane splitting" at lower speeds.

They're different. Filtering is between stopped cars, splitting is in moving traffic.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#57
post #20

This problem has been solved more than a decade ago by radar sensors (standard on many mid-range cars at the time). They detect imminent collisions with almost perfect accuracy and very little false positives. Having better sensor data is always going to beat trying to massage crappy data into something useful.

Are we sure Teslas dont have radars? We know they don’t have lidars, but that’s irrelevant.

Tesla Model 3's don't have radars. They had them at the beginning of the run, and removed them.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#58
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so if the other cars have 5x less miles on autopilot compared to tesla you expect to see 0 crashes even though the probability of a crash is the same

Why are we moving the goal posts to « other manufacturers drive less miles so statistically it’s still OK to kill people »?

I would like the goal post somewhere around “Is safer in every situation than a skilled and concentrated human driver”

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#59
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering how much FSD has improved in the last few months, a 2 year old video is not relevant.

Just amazing to me how blind people are to how much of a fraud Musk is

cause it is a cult following, not blindness…

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#60

I’m normally quite skeptical of these kinds of “Tesla More Dangerous Than Other Brands” headlines since they tend to be B.S. But this seems like a pretty legitimate accusation, and certainly a well researched write-up at the very least.

There is no statistical evidence cited to show that there really is a difference. And there is no data at all showing the rate of these crashes vs non self driving cars.
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