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Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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It’s already anxious enough sharing the road with American drivers as a bicyclist. Now I have to worry about awful TSLA tech just not working or detecting me.

Maybe wouldn’t be an issue if bike infrastructure was separate from car traffic. Or USA had even a fraction of the foresight as the NL when it came to transportation infrastructure.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#12

I don't like Tesla and the premature "FSD" announcement was a huge set back AV research. An AV without lidar killing motorcyclists is not surprising, to say the least. And this is a damning report. That said -- and I might have missed this if it was in the linked sources, I'm on mobile -- what is the breakdown of other (supposed) AVs adoption currently? What other types of crashes are there? Are these 5+ fatalities s…

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Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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I don't like Tesla and the premature "FSD" announcement was a huge set back AV research. An AV without lidar killing motorcyclists is not surprising, to say the least. And this is a damning report. That said -- and I might have missed this if it was in the linked sources, I'm on mobile -- what is the breakdown of other (supposed) AVs adoption currently? What other types of crashes are there? Are these 5+ fatalities s…

I’m in the same camp. I think self driving shouldn’t be allowed as it currently stands. But, this is probably the XKCD heatmap phenomenon.

How many other self-driving vehicles are on the road vs Tesla? What percentage of traffic consists of motorcycles in the place where those other brands have deployed bs in Florida, etc.

https://www.xkcd.com/1138/

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

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post #9

This article does not adjust for the fact that Teslas drive many more miles on Autopilot + FSD than any other brand. So it's a pretty worthless comparison.

"It’s not just that self-driving cars in general are dangerous for motorcycles, either: this problem is unique to Tesla. Not a single other automobile manufacturer or ADAS self-driving technology provider reported a single motorcycle fatality in the same time frame."

Doesn't matter when mileage isn't what's being compared - it's whether or not others have caused the same problem - PERIOD.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#17

I don't like Tesla and the premature "FSD" announcement was a huge set back AV research. An AV without lidar killing motorcyclists is not surprising, to say the least. And this is a damning report. That said -- and I might have missed this if it was in the linked sources, I'm on mobile -- what is the breakdown of other (supposed) AVs adoption currently? What other types of crashes are there? Are these 5+ fatalities s…

“This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities in the same time frame”

Doesnt give number of driving hours for Tesla vs others though.

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Related: Well-sourced video on the topic https://youtube.com/watch?v=yRdzIs4FJJg

Considering how much FSD has improved in the last few months, a 2 year old video is not relevant.

Not relevant to what? Those people are still dead.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#19

When I used to ride, getting rear ended at a stop was one of my biggest fears other than people blowing stop signs. I always left more space in front of me that would give me room to maneuver as I watched for the car behind me to make the stop.

Lane filtering solves this fear. Should be legal nation wide.

Re: Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Rear-Ending Motorcyclists More Than Any Other

#20
This problem has been solved more than a decade ago by radar sensors (standard on many mid-range cars at the time). They detect imminent collisions with almost perfect accuracy and very little false positives. Having better sensor data is always going to beat trying to massage crappy data into something useful.
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