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US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#82Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#83It's not an accident if the government intentionally circumvents all checks that usually would apply to cases like this and denies them due process. It's also intentional that they send these people to a prison in a different country (and for most of them not the country they are originally from) with conditions that would certainly be illegal in the US itself. This is also about more than just this single case. From…
It's a demonstration that party's over, "damn illegals will be deported". Yes, the government knows that the deportation was unjust, what about that?
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#84Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.
> Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.
This is a scale thing though right? You'll have some false convictions if you want a justice system. Nothing is perfect, breakage inevitable.
Nobody wants to be the victim of a miscarriage of justice themselves, but everyone wants crime to be dealt with effectively. The trade offs are real and I suspect the average person has an acceptable non-zero rate in the back of their mind
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#85Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#86Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.
> Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death. This is a scale thing though right? You'll have some false convictions if you want a justice system. Nothing is perfect, breakage inevitable. Nobody wants to be the victim of a miscarriage of justice themselves, but everyone wants crime to be dealt with effectively. The trade offs are real and I suspect the average p…
Yes, as you said, the price of any justice system is a percentage of results that are wrong. I think the checks and balances that have been developed over the last century or two have gotten to a satisfactory level.
Such that wilfully bypassing parts of it to support a political agenda is nothing less than dictatorial.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, wasp cis males such as Sam Altman or Peter Thiel or Brin, Page, Zuckerberg, Cook, Nadella, Pichai, Huang...
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Might as well be, but why blaming cis wasps for this? It's pointless bucketing of people based on, well, obviously misguided prejudice.
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#88This is why due process is essential for everybody. The moment you deny it to one group, you can deny it to anyone by claiming they're in that one group.
I do believe the whole concept of beyond A reasonable doubt was based upon the belief that it is better for 10 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to suffer. What is happening is a slap in the face of our foundational principles and justice system.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happened in Germany 1933? Its only 3 month since Trump became president.
1933 isn't what the Nazis were known for. Many countries had coups or abandoned democracy or rule of law. Calling someone a Nazi is saying he's a mass murderer. Don't cry wolf!
Hitler wrote Mein Kampf 1924,
they weren’t called Nazi back then because they hadn’t committed the mass murders yet, but they already had the mindset.
A Nazi isn’t already a murderer but someone who sees himself as a superior race and others as Untermensch.
Many Nazis didn’t kill anyone but were ok with it.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
But how do you know who to deport without due process? Papers please? (you answered above: Papers Please it is.)
What is wrong with papers please?
"Sir we need your papers to resolve your claim you were wrongly deported. What? I'm sorry we deported you without your papers. That's your problem. If you can't get your papers your SOL." Nevermind they are deporting folks to third party PRISONS.