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US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
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A confidential informant told me that Gasser8 was a member of MS-13.
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#63Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.
>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process I agree with you. Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved. The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.
> 15-30 million hearings
What level of false positives are you willing to tolerate - US nationals wrongly deported?
How many fatalities (including suicides) are you willing to tolerate in this process?
(fairly easy to imagine hypothetical situation: lawful US national gun owner with Hispanic name is shopped to immigration by his neighbours. ICE come to his house in the middle of the night to deprive him of his rights. Is he (a) legally (b) morally entitled to open fire on them? If not, what do all the 2nd amendment tyranny resistors mean? If so, isn't this going to be a huge mess?)
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's so important to get done quickly, hire more people to do it. Move resources to solve the most pressing problems first. Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes.
>Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes. Once again I agree with you. Let's deport them first and make remote immigration courts in every US embassy. This way they have remedy for false positives, and let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes
But how do you know who to deport without due process? Papers please?
(you answered above: Papers Please it is.)
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
>This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process I agree with you. Now explain how can we scale the due process to deport everyone that entered here illegally in a reasonable timeframe. 15-30 million hearings will take a century to be resolved. The system is not designed for such massive load in mind.
> 15-30 million hearings What level of false positives are you willing to tolerate - US nationals wrongly deported? How many fatalities (including suicides) are you willing to tolerate in this process? (fairly easy to imagine hypothetical situation: lawful US national gun owner with Hispanic name is shopped to immigration by his neighbours. ICE come to his house in the middle of the night to deprive him of his rights…
He shows his id and they say sorry to disturb you sir.
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#66Accidents like this are required in order to demonstrate the scale of the "will" behind the power. This should be a un-ignorable reminder of the value of due process. Better a guilty person go free than an innocent person sent to their long, slow, undignified death.
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Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#67> ICE maintains that a confidential informant told the agency the man was a member of MS-13 Well this is horrifying.
There are growing numbers of informants, admittedly though these are off-current-topic:
Canary Mission: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts...
Betar US: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/25/what-is-betar-us-th...
It's a low bar, just so long as you're informing on a group that's not in lock-step with Trump's agenda.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 15-30 million hearings What level of false positives are you willing to tolerate - US nationals wrongly deported? How many fatalities (including suicides) are you willing to tolerate in this process? (fairly easy to imagine hypothetical situation: lawful US national gun owner with Hispanic name is shopped to immigration by his neighbours. ICE come to his house in the middle of the night to deprive him of his rights…
He shows his id and they say sorry to disturb you sir.
The land of the free!
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 15-30 million hearings What level of false positives are you willing to tolerate - US nationals wrongly deported? How many fatalities (including suicides) are you willing to tolerate in this process? (fairly easy to imagine hypothetical situation: lawful US national gun owner with Hispanic name is shopped to immigration by his neighbours. ICE come to his house in the middle of the night to deprive him of his rights…
He shows his id and they say sorry to disturb you sir.
The US has mandatory national ID for everyone now?
(edit: at the moment the only possible document would be a US passport, because a driving license doesn't prove nationality, so the 50% of Americans who don't have passports are SOL)
Re: US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's so important to get done quickly, hire more people to do it. Move resources to solve the most pressing problems first. Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes.
>Otherwise let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes. Once again I agree with you. Let's deport them first and make remote immigration courts in every US embassy. This way they have remedy for false positives, and let law/justice take as long as law/justice takes
Sending them to a prison you don't return from isn't a deportation.