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Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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Lately I've been strongly considering helping migrate my parents to Linux. Their needs are primarily web-based with some basic productivity tools mixed in, and Windows has just been getting more and more hostile. On top of this, they're at an age where they're now more susceptible than ever to various scams/attacks, and shutting down an entire category of problems by removing Windows from the picture is increasingly attractive.

I had forgotten that Chicago95 exists, but this might be exactly the right thing. They'd immediately find it familiar, and while the theme isn't the whole story, this would go a long way in easing the transition I think.

I miss this era of computing.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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I like themes like this. The only thing that hampers the authenticity for me, and this isn't the fault of the author really, is the super high resolution fonts compared to what was available back then. There's just something charming about low resolution fonts that are readable enough on screen, probably nostalgia. I think any type of pixel font authentic to a couple decades ago won't look good on a 4K monitor, unfor…

For 4K monitors, why not just pixel-double? Integer scaling will solve many issues introduced by pixel fonts.

You're right in that there's nothing stopping one from doing so (I even use an integer scaler for old games on my main computer), it's just a tradeoff between "doing what's possible" and "having the most authentic experience one can".

If we're talking about the subjective experience of recreating "a child's bedroom computer" from the mid 90s-early 00s, a widescreen aspect ratio alone would be jarring, since my conception of a monitor for such a system is a 4:3 CRT. So for me, little else would reach that level except a system with the same aspect ratio and a similar DPI.

Not only that, but UI design itself has undergone many shifts since that era to account for the types of monitors those UIs are being designed for. There's not as much of a need for pixel-perfect design when vector-based web UIs dominate the desktop application space nowadays, relegating those that go back to older UI paradigms to enthusiasts who still remember earlier times. Or maybe people who develop for fantasy consoles.

I should mention while I'm at it that those sort of faux-pixel art shaders used in some games come off as quite jarring to me since I expect UIs to be meticulously laid out for the original screen size, not just for blowing up arbitrary content 2x or 4x on a huge widescreen monitor. I sometimes feel those are meant to represent a nostalgic feeling of some kind, being pixelated and all, but really it just makes me wish there were some alternate reality in which people still designed games and desktop applications for 800x600 or 1024x768 monitors again.

It's interesting at present how there's stuff like 4K and then there's the playdate with a relatively tiny handheld resolution, but relatively little interest for new content for those types of resolutions in-between.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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> Stop spending time on things I don't care about It's ok for people to waste time building stuff they think is cool. Did it need to be a distro? No but it also didn't need to exist. I'm glad it exists though, I think it really whips the llamas ass!

This attitude is why Linux based operating systems have such poor market share on the desktop. Opportunity costs are real. Friction is real. You don't see Windows creating a new OS for a single theme. You don't see macOS do it either.

I see it as one of the consequences of freedom, but perhaps also a gap in packaging where they can't bundle up their changes in a form to be applied onto another base.

That 'base' is one issue I've been thinking about with linux, I have similar concerns about the cost of everyone being able to make their own distro for their own slight variation on something else. It's not that I think it's a bad thing to pathfind in new areas, but the replication in building/supporting it all, getting users to pick between 4 similar variants of the same thing, and accounting for "you're using KustomLinux, which is 2 steps removed from CommonLinux" and all the little differences between them. It's an interesting contrast against standardization, but I can't help wondering how it would change the approachability of linux if the starting point was limited to one of the big distros and then variants are layered on top of that.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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I wouldn't say that's so "obvious". I for one would prefer the original pixel fonts, but size adjusted to fit my screen density. By hand, if required.

If we're talking Windows 9x, the "original fonts" could also be TrueType, hence arbitrarily resized. Yes, the original Windows 95 included a pixel font for the UI but then TrueType fonts like Verdana and Tahoma were added soon after that and were commonly used.

But didn't they include handcrafted hinting bytecode models something like that?

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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Computing is largely a cargo cult thing these days. The problem is that the interfaces these bootleg skins draw "inspiration" from were designed on the back of millions of pre-inflationary dollars' R&D from only the best at Golden-Age IBM, Microsoft, Apple, etc.. BeOS, OS/2, Windows 95-2000 do not look the way they do because it looks good, they look the way they do because it works good, countless man hours went int…

>they look the way they do because it works good In modern times telemetry can show how well new designs work. The industry never forgot how to measure and do user research for ui changes. We've only gotten better at it.

I've had an alternate theory for a while. Prior to verbose metrics, UIs could only be designed by experts and via small samples of feedback sessions. And UIs used to be much, much better. I suspect two things have happened:

- With a full set of metrics, we're now designing toward the bottom half of the bell curve, ie, towards the users who struggle the most. Rather than building UIs which are very good, but must be learned, we're now building UIs which must suit the weakest users. This might seem like a good thing, but it's really not. It's a race to the bottom, and robs those novice users from ever having the chance of becoming experts.

- Worse, because UIs must always serve the interests of the bottom of the bell curve, this actually is why we have constant UI churn. What's worse than a bad UI? 1,000 bad UIs which each change every 1-6 months. No one can really learn the UIs if they're always churning, and the metrics and the novice users falsely encourage teams to constantly churn their UIs.

I strongly believe that you'd see better UIs either with far fewer metrics, or with products that have smaller, expert-level user bases.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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Like making window borders 1px wide, even as screen pixel density increases. It's darn near impossible to resize a window anymore. Like making buttons auto-hide unless you mouse-over them. I don't remember when this came in, but the default PDF viewer in something did this, and I spent _weeks_ being baffled that some jerk made a PDF viewer that couldn't zoom in on the page, until I randomly waggled the mouse for some…

> Like making window borders 1px wide, even as screen pixel density increases. It's darn near impossible to resize a window anymore. check out altDrag if youre on windows (its discontinued now but i think i remember seeing newer forks) it lets you hold down a key and then drag the cursor in one of the 4 quarters of a window to resize it. a lot of the ubuntu based distros ive tried have had this feature built in for a…

Thank you for the recommendation, I'll look at installing that.

But the problem with add-ons is that every machine you use will have a different combination of them installed. Maybe you're at work and don't have privileges to install them. Maybe you forgot to install one on your desktop even if it's on your laptop, etc.

And building it into "a lot" of Ubuntu-based distros lacks discoverability. I might have that now on the machine I'm typing this on, but it does me no good if I don't know it's there. (Everything in Linux has worse-than-terrible discoverability, but that's another rant entirely.)

MS's dominant position meant their defaults Just Worked everywhere, and when those defaults were good, they were really, really good, by virtue of their ubiquity. Then they fucked us by using their dominant position to just... I don't know... completely lose the plot? Aside from HiDPI fractional scaling and support for large monitor "maximize to a quadrant" and stuff, I can't point to a single MS UI improvement since the XP days. Everything else has just gotten worse, fragmented, and for no good reason.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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This looks nice and easy to use. My hypothesis is today's "modern" OS user interfaces are objectively worse from a usability perspective, obfuscating key functionality behind layers of confusing menus. It reminds me of these "OS popularity since the 70s" time lapse views: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cTKhqtll5cQ The dominance of Windows is crazy, even today, Mac desktops and laptops are comparatively niche

> The dominance of Windows is crazy, even today, Mac desktops and laptops are comparatively niche I was actually surprised that macOS/Linux/ChromeOS together are >20% of all desktop/laptops. I would have expected Microsoft machines to be closer to 90% than 80%.

I'm surprised by the breakdown as well. At least according to these two citations in Wikipedia, the breakdown is:

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For desktop computers and laptops, Microsoft Windows has 71%, followed by Apple's macOS at 16%, unknown operating systems at 8%, desktop Linux at 4%, then Google's ChromeOS at 2%.[3][4]

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[3] "Now more than ever, ChromeOS is Linux with Google's desktop environment". About Chromebooks. 1 August 2023. Retrieved 25 September 2024.

[4]"Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide". StatCounter Global Stats. Retrieved 9 March 2025.

Re: Blue95: a desktop for your childhood home's computer room

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post #146

That Git GUI got my attention. Does anyone have an idea what it might be? The titlebar says aurora but when I searched for it all I got was an commercial product with AI nonsense stuck into it.

From the look i suspect it is gitg: a git frontend for gnome.

https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Gitg

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