I'll just throw in that the Home Connect app comes at 700 MB. Why?!
I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#382I'd like to play devil's advocate for a minute and ask a question: Does anyone know exactly what the Bosch service sends the dishwasher? While I agree that connecting a dishwasher to the Internet should not be necessary, it does open the door to an interesting scenario if what gets sent to the dishwasher is not a command to run a mode but an actual program to control the dishwasher. In theory that would mean that Bos…
The idea of a manufacturer updating my appliance to be "more efficient" is fine, but updates should only be applied at my discretion and we already have several mechanisms for this that don't involve an always-on internet connection.
If they really want firmware updates for their dishwasher, they should give it Bluetooth or a USB port enabled by a special button combination and call it a day.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#383I'd like to play devil's advocate for a minute and ask a question: Does anyone know exactly what the Bosch service sends the dishwasher? While I agree that connecting a dishwasher to the Internet should not be necessary, it does open the door to an interesting scenario if what gets sent to the dishwasher is not a command to run a mode but an actual program to control the dishwasher. In theory that would mean that Bos…
You know very well this is not what online connectivity is for. No need to play Devil's advocate, he's been found guilty and sentenced long ago.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is annoying, but given that the basic functionality works, it personally wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. I don't normally do anything fancy with the settings on my dishwasher, I just want it to wash the dishes. I'd rather have a dishwasher that puts delay and eco mode behind an app, than some shitty dishwasher that doesn't clean the dishes well on the "normal" setting.
This reminds me of the EU regulations, which not only: 1. _require_ dishwashers to have an Eco mode, not locked behind anything, but also 2. _require_ Eco mode to be the default . If you buy a dishwasher in the EU and turn it on, and press "start", it'll be on Eco mode, the mode that uses the least water/power. If you don't care about the dishwasher other than to turn it on, and it works for you, then everybody wins.…
The weird thing about eco modes is that they often don’t use less water or power. I live off grid, and just as a function of my setup I know exactly what consumes what. My Bosch dishwasher, on a normal 70C dish cycle, uses about 4.5L of water and 1.6kWh. On eco mode, it uses 8L of water, and 1.8kWh. Takes twice as long though.
Similar with my AEG washer - a 40 degree cotton wash uses marginally more water than a 40 degree eco wash, but less power - and is 25% quicker.
Honestly, it’s not clear what the economy is supposed to be. Intensity of demand? Except on each appliance the heater runs at the same rated wattage when it’s heating - just different patterns of usage on eco mode, more off and on.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have a Home Depot or Costco near buy that offers free installation and haul away? Most people who get these appliances have the store do all of the work you did.
Yea, most places will do the install for free/cheap. At some point you have to choose how much your time is worth.
Well, that's true on the face of it. But, at least where I live, this service can be hit-and-miss. The retailer of both my dishwasher and washing machine provided this service, and both times it was a shoddy job.
On the dishwasher, they had a hard time routing the hoses properly, so the unit was sticking out something like 3 cm from under the furniture. I had to redo it myself.
On the washing machine, they routed one of the pipes with too narrow an angle, so that the water wouldn't come out. Fortunately, to the point of this post, the machine was "smart" enough to figure this out and complain about it (via a code on its display).
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#386I live in an apartment building whose walls don't really attenuate RF at all. And like most of the building I have a Samsung "smart" TV. So most evenings I get three or four screencast requests from neighbors' phones that I have to deny. That's annoying enough but it also stops whatever I'm watching in the process. The manual didn't include instructions for turning off Bluetooth, and when I called Samsung they said y…
Did you try to talk to your neighbours?
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data/time overhead would be negligible. Engineering overhead to implement it on the other hand, perhaps not.
> The data/time overhead would be negligible. Doubling or tripling the amount of data sent would be negligible over a wire, but an audio protocol won't be as snappy. Then there's the matter of trust/decryption. How are those keys being kept safe? What happens if I lose access?
Then don't double or triple the amount of data sent. There's simply no need.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#388Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…
I had sort of the opposite situation. I needed a new washer and all the top rated ones according to Consumer Reports included WiFi. I asked at Home Depot if the one I was thinking of getting, an LG WM3400CW, required me to actually use the WiFi and they said no. I used it for a few weeks without ever even trying to set up WiFi and everything was fine. Then I found at that when you set up an LG washer for WiFi you can…
> The way "Smart Diagnosis" in the app works with the WM3400CW is that the washing machine sends the data to the app acoustically.
My LG microwave has this too; it wasn't a selling point for me, but I thought it was a nice compromise by their engineers and product team.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is a very good thing that Apple is tough about it, given the high value of the devices, and how people carry them around in public. I very much want my devices to be useless to thieves.
It's still not clear how this requires Apple to do anything or why it should have anything to do with any cloud service. The IMEI is burned into the phone. They should definitely make it hard to change the IMEI; but they do. If the phone is stolen then the IMEI gets reported as stolen and anyone who tries to activate the phone with a wireless carrier gets caught. Why does Apple or Google need to inconvenience people…
IMEI blacklisting is not worldwide. The phone can still be used in other countries. Also, rogue carrier employees are selling IMEI blacklist removal as a side gig on the black market.
Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
The data/time overhead would be negligible. Engineering overhead to implement it on the other hand, perhaps not.
> The data/time overhead would be negligible. Doubling or tripling the amount of data sent would be negligible over a wire, but an audio protocol won't be as snappy. Then there's the matter of trust/decryption. How are those keys being kept safe? What happens if I lose access?
You can encrypt data and keep the exact same original byte size.