This is why I buy “commercial” appliances when I can. My speed queen washer and dryer each have two knobs and a start button. Thats all you need. I doubt I will need to ever replace them.
I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud
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#122> When I posted on social media about this, a lot of people told me to return it. > > But I spent four hours installing this thing built into my kitchen. I sympathize with the author and what Bosch is doing here is ridiculous and I am fully against it. But, they're not going to care about your complaints. Returning it and hitting them in the pocketbook is really the only way consumers have to send messages that compa…
If your audience is big enough, your complaints can end up hitting their pocket book.
Isn't it kind of silly going "YOU fix this problem I'm complaining about" in the first place? If he isn't willing to return the machine, why would anyone else bother?
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#123When buying a new washing machine and dryer, I actually spent hours extra to find models /without/ app requirements last summer. There were so few of them that did what I wanted, and also didn't require internet access that I'm worried the next time around there will be no more options where I can elect to keep them off the net. :/
Has anyone else looking at this looked into the prosumer / commercial space? I suspect that market will have a lot less tolerant for digital bullshit.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd love to take a stance like that, but the reality is I've already sunk about 6 hours total into the whole operation, and I have quite limited time for my home maintenance + improvement projects as it is (my bench currently has a new faucet set to fix the leaky bathroom faucet, as well as an exhaust fan to fix the broken one in our bathroom... and those are just the things that are currently broken , not the dozen…
Do you have a Home Depot or Costco near buy that offers free installation and haul away? Most people who get these appliances have the store do all of the work you did.
Yea, most places will do the install for free/cheap. At some point you have to choose how much your time is worth.
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#125My washer and dryer are miele, and the remote notifications are useful. I've used some of the remote start features to ensure the machines run when the solar is generating, but that's about it Honestly I'd have been better with the speed queen and a relay wired into the starter switch. As for the dishwasher, I rigged up my current one to send me end of cycle alerts by putting a current detector loop around it's power…
I don't understand - does the dishwasher not have any indication that it's finished? Mine just turns off the LEDs on the front panel when it's done. I usually don't empty it immediately anyway.
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#126I put up with a variety of shitty appliances because I'm a renter in 2025 who doesn't anticipate ever owning a home, but if I were in the business of outfitting my place with appliances, they sure as shit would not be the crap quality touch sensor microwave, oven, and dishwasher we currently use, or the dumbass laundry machines with stupid arbitrary labels for each setting. The fridge is fine, it has a door, that's a…
renting nowadays is a nightmare if you dislike this stuff. You may be forced into: - "smart" door locks or garage - wifi connected thermostat - specific provider for building internet - various appliances: washer, dryer, fridge, stove, microwave, dishwasher - "package room provider" with cameras and privacy policy to photo/video of you, your address, your phone number (for access codes) - and of course the applicatio…
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#127I had a similar experience when I bought a pressure washer[1] that required an app. Some things just shouldn’t need one. 1. https://www.kaercher.com/au/home-garden/pressure-washers/sma...
They want you to fumble around with a phone app to adjust the machine, while you're presumably going to be at least somewhat wet from its use? WTF.
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#128I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.
In the future, buy used ones and repair/restore them.
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#129I suppose this means that in the future, when I shop for a home appliance, I'll have to download their manual first and scan for things like this.
That's definitely strongly advisable already.
And: if you cannot find the manuals readily online, that's another black strike / red flag against the product and vendor.
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#130I feel Jeff should have bit the bullet and just returned it. I know it's a waste of time, but these products have to be rejected at retail. Retailers will eventually get tired of the extra support burden and demand manufacturers drop stuff like this. They should all get hit with the open box problem from the returns.
Jeff's opposition to this technology is not based on principle, rather it is based on the question of convenience of a few hours of time. A lot of commenters reacting to this story based on principle should take note of how many others gripe but roll over for it. Certainly, vendors are taking note of that.