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Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#101

Post by diggan »

mischa108 wrote: post #94

What difference does it make if 99% of your devices are still running on Microsoft Windows? I'm a European DevOps engineer who specializes in Microsoft Azure, and I'd like to switch to European alternatives. But I struggle to see how we can ever become independent of Microsoft of all devices are still running Windows and 365 / Office.

> how we can ever become independent of Microsoft

Guess it depends on the context? If you need to run Windows Servers and run Microsoft services then well, you're better off with Microsoft, most likely.

But for other workloads, it won't matter what the client software is, but again, really depends on the context.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#102

Post by egorfine »

> Go Beyond Compliance

So, even more KYC? Blood sample is required, as well as at least three independent proofs of residence and subscription available only for select cities in the EU?

If we want to compete with the US, we have to fix the main problem with european services: relax regulations, not tighten.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#103

Post by janmo »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #87
janmo wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at the technique they used with Silk Road: "Because the SR Server was located outside the United States, the Fourth Amendment would not have required a warrant to search the server, whether for its IP address or otherwise." - Assistant US Attorney Serrin Turner

To me this statement only makes sense if it explains why an American law enforcement agency can hack a foreign server without an American warrant. And it just demonstrates the limits of American privacy protection. If you think this was about European legal system, you are mistaken. If Americans were hacking European servers without due process involving European authorities, this was probably highly illegal here.

There is a pattern:

Silk Road, SkyECC, EncroChat, TorMail+Freedom Hosting.

What do they all have in common?

Their servers were found or their encryption were broken under mysterious circumstances involving classified "techniques". In 3 out 4 cases malware was sent from the services to their users once taken over.

All were hosted in the EU, even stranger, all of them had servers hosted by OVH. Although SR was not directly hosted by OVH Ross Ulbricht had a vnc server (virtual desktop) there which he apparently used to administrate the SR main server and on another OVH server he had a deadmanswitch and his will.

In a sense this is the counterpart to the survival bias. But in this case we only know where the taken down services were hosted, we don't know where the survivors are being hosted.

All this has serious Crypto AG vibes. Back then it was: trust us, we are from Switzerland, we are neutral....

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#104

Post by Apocryphon »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #40
ivan_gammel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You answered the question about privacy by complaint about freedom of speech, i.e. injecting some offtopic in conversation, hence the downvotes.

[flagged]

the Apple App Store / walled garden

For the inverse, X / Twitter

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#105

Post by csomar »

graemep wrote: post #84
csomar wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that make it any better?

Because if the actual services they used were not going through cloudflare then it would not really matter to users. It turns out their management web UI (for orders etc.) also goes through cloudflare so that is a potential problem (and I now plan to switch away from Upcloud for that reason - its silly to route that through Cloudflare). That said, their servers and their managent are in Europe.

> Because if the actual services they used were not going through cloudflare then it would not really matter to users.

This might fly if they were selling Bananas. But they are selling "cloud hosting". Cloudflare is literally their competitor.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#106

Post by IanCal »

rustc wrote: post #78
IanCal wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are blatantly lying in many of their offerings ( zero cost egress see the rustc comment) But the linked pages in that comment say they do have zero cost egress. If you cross their "fair use" amount they drop the upload speed to 100mbps for the rest of the month.

Why not just say that 1TB is free and the rest is chargeable? The only reason to use "zero cost" every time and then hide the limits behind accordions is to mislead.

Because that wouldn't be the same charging structure? I don't understand what you mean.

XTB at whatever speed they offer, then unlimited at 100 meg is different from XTB free and the rest chargeable.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#107

Post by onli »

diggan wrote: post #98
onli wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner behaves pretty much like DO, with servers that can be changed in the corresponding management panel. Or what aspect do you think is different?

> Hetzner behaves pretty much like DO, with servers that can be changed in the corresponding management panel. Or what aspect do you think is different? Parent is comparing Hetzner Dedicated with Upcloud VPS, not Hetzner VPS with Upcloud VPS, I'm not sure you missed this. But in case it's not a misunderstood question: Dedicated instances are "real" hardware you have full control over, for better or worse, while VPSes…

Yeah, that's exactly it and the confusion/edit fits ;) If I'm not missing something those dedicated cloud servers are dedicated in that they are not shared ressources, but can otherwise be managed like the shared "droplets".

I was thinking that maybe the felt difference is in some additional services like block storage (though I think hetzner has a complete offering, without checking the details right now) or in the limitations of the scaling.

Hetzner also has real dedicated servers and sure, your explanation gets the difference there. I appreciate that you gave the comment a real reply in any case :)

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#108

Post by fer »

pkos98 wrote: post #45
fer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very disingenuous comparison. The actual main gap is being closed with this: https://aws.amazon.com/compliance/europe-digital-sovereignty...

Having worked as Cloud Solution Architect at Microsoft Germany/Azure, let me tell you: Nope this gap can not be closed by any US company alone due to the Us Patriot Act - which forces any US company (including e.g. a German subsidiary) to allow access to all data for national security purposes.

Having worked at AWS, no, it's a separate partition under a separate legal entity, and the EU framework is specifically designed to counter Patriot Act, CLOUD Act and the like. It's gonna be similar to AWS China, and potentially more restrictive in some senses. That leaving aside regions we're not allowed to talk about.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#109

Post by bittermandel »

I didn't expect the comments in here to be so negative.

It's a decent service in itself and a good alternative to many other traditional VM-based hosting companies, which Europe is absolutely full of. They are not really competing with the hyperscalers, nor even Digital Ocean in my opinion, but rather providers that likely sell pre-committed OpenStack clusters and such.

I don't believe they are fully clear of American-owned companies in their entire dependency chain, nor do I believe that it's possible to do that today. Companies like Equinix provide a damn good solution for homogenized infrastructure that is invaluable for cloud providers.

Re: European Cloud, Global Reach

#110

Post by Havoc »

amne wrote: post #13

I don't get how you can advertise Kubernetes from 0 euro / month and then you have to choose a node that costs 3 euro / month. I have no idea if it's cheap or not but how is this kind of advertising legal?

It's normal to split k8s billing between the control plane and the resources being controlled.
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