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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by greatpatton »

dhsysusbsjsi wrote: post #26
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #12

I traveled to the US (from my country -France- and many others) for 12 years. About a trip every month. The last time was 10 years ago. I never had any problems (outside the horrible behaviour of border officers who show you that you are not welcome). I was stopped once by a policeman when I did an illegal car maneuver (which is tolerated in France), and when he realized I was a tourist with family, he just said, "Be…

I've already made the decision not to go to the US again for the foreseeable future.

Same, will not risk my mental health for a trip to the US.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by mdp2021 »

gadders wrote: post #100
stewx wrote: post #4

My takeaway from this is that laws and rules don't matter if the officials on the ground are incompetent, ignorant, and have contempt for you. There is a lot of unnecessary cruelty and lack of due process in this story.

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> This incompetence has only happened since

Can we be sure? Do we have stats?

If you look at international press, horror stories happen everywhere, semi-certified (the press from Country C diffident against Country Y will publish if they have a warning piece). The issue is telling the exception from the norm and similar.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by AlexandrB »

pjc50 wrote: post #130
AlexandrB wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allowing bad actors to claim they have a female gender identity so they can get transferred to women's prisons is not "leaving trans people alone". There are clearly people abusing these policies to bad ends and the refusal to grapple with the idea that not every person who claims they're trans is a pure and honest snowflake is going to do tons of damage to the cause of "leaving trans people alone".

Ah yes, the bad behavior of one person justifies mistreatment of an entire group.

Could you please engage with the issue instead of making emotional appeals. You're saying this isn't a problem at all? What about the rights of the women affected by the bad actor(s)? Do you have some proposed solution for identifying the "one person" doing bad behavior?

The Democratic Party refused to grapple with these questions either and their electoral loss is going to do far more harm to trans rights than some reasonable policies (for example some gatekeeping of "self-ID") would have.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by righthand »

kcplate wrote: post #104
Zambyte wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was wrong with Harris?

She had only one really important job to do as vice president—become president if the president was incapable of doing the job. She, like many administration (and media), put her political party’s optics over the good of the country and tried to hide Joe Biden’s mental decline from the population. She was literally derelict in her most important duty as vice president. How could she be trusted as president? I’m an in…

If you don’t vote then your opinion is meaningless. Voting is applying your opinion.

Your view of Biden’s mental state is lies spewed by all the media. How many videos of Biden speaking have you actually watched? He is actually 10x better speaker than Trump or George W Bush ever was. It’s ridiculous how people take those lies verbatim.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by almostgotcaught »

pjc50 wrote: post #139
almostgotcaught wrote: post #33

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> There _is_ a process, which optimises for holding people as long as possible for the prison industrial complex to make money "due process" is what you are due - it is what is afforded to you by the 4th amendment and habeus corpus. Op is correct.

However, the US has long been very clear: constitutional rights only apply to citizens . US law is perfectly happy with arbitrary brutality towards non-citizens. (ECHR is different on this, which has caused a lot of controversy in the UK from people who want to be arbitrarily brutal towards non-citizens)

> constitutional rights only apply to citizens.

This isn't true and what I wish more than anything in life is if people would stop repeating unadulterated propaganda because that literally normalizes it.

> The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8...

And don't try to gotcha me either - yes the same article says they have qualified the extent of those rights but

1. The qualifications are not "you have to be a citizen" but whether you "developed substantial ties to this country."

2. This woman had a work visa - I'd call that pretty substantial ties

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

betaby wrote: post #36
elicash wrote: post #15

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Reminds me of doing civil disobedience -- you write your attorney's phone number on your arm beforehand.

> your attorney's phone Right, people have attorneys. Very common thing ... nowhere?

You _should_.

[Lawyer, Passport, Locksmith, Gun by DeviantOllam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ihrGNGesfI)

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by rayiner »

ssijak wrote: post #57
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

Objective is to earn as much money as possible without regard for people. Those detention centers and prisons are privately owned.

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by otikik »

twUewhag wrote: post #133
jajko wrote: post #85

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Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like. The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these…

Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants. Why should EU citizens pay outrageous rents, compete against the whole world with their degrees, get lower wages and have prime property bought up by Chinese and Russian oligarchs? (This does not mean that people should be treated brutally at the border.)

> Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants

EU is full of old people and not enough children. The population pyramid looks like a bullet:

https://www.populationpyramid.net/europe/2024/

It's not difficult to see where that leads to, if we stop accepting immigrants.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by rayiner »

forinti wrote: post #95
apples_oranges wrote: post #49

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I wonder why agents in the field, customs, immigration etc, seem so eager to implement these changes.

I'm not a psychologist, but I'm pretty sure all police forces should have very strong and active civilian oversight, because they seem to attract (or maybe even nurture) some very aggressive people. In my country, some police forces have skulls on their uniforms and vehicles. How twisted is that?

But the civilian oversight voted for the guy who promised mass deportations.
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