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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by the_af »

Why do people want to live in the US and jump through all these hoops and be subject to arbitrary detentions, anyway? The bureaucracy is hellish. Many other countries have decent living conditions and don't randomly mistreat the people trying to make a living, nor do they behave understanding or cruel at the whim of whoever's in office. Or if they do, it's not as bad as in the US.

Is it just that the US is closer to these people than other, saner countries? I can understand if that's the actual reason.

Also: why do border officers have so much power? It seems wrong. They are low level employees, they shouldn't be able to change your life (or trip plans) just because they feel bored and want to spice things up.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by skyyler »

blindriver wrote: post #75
Trasmatta wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Harris said almost nothing about trans issues during the election. You're attempting to rewrite history if you're claiming it was somehow a core tenant of her campaign. That was entirely propaganda by the opposing party.

Are voters only supposed to limit their votes about things candidates say during the election? If so does that mean voting against Trump for Jan 6 insurrection was wrong? Or can voters vote against Harris because of policies she has endorsed before the election?

>If so does that mean voting against Trump for Jan 6 insurrection was wrong?

Well, no, because he campaigned on that. Including pardons for people that participated.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by AlexandrB »

pjc50 wrote: post #71
AlexandrB wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extremist positions on trans issues. To quote Sam Harris: "Congratulations, Democrats. You have found the most annoying thing in the fucking galaxy and hung it around your necks."[1] [1] https://samharris.substack.com/p/the-reckoning

I don't think that leaving trans people alone is extremist.

Allowing bad actors to claim they have a female gender identity so they can get transferred to women's prisons is not "leaving trans people alone". There are clearly people abusing these policies to bad ends and the refusal to grapple with the idea that not every person who claims they're trans is a pure and honest snowflake is going to do tons of damage to the cause of "leaving trans people alone".

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by kcplate »

Zambyte wrote: post #27
Swoerd123 wrote: post #14

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What was wrong with Harris?

She had only one really important job to do as vice president—become president if the president was incapable of doing the job. She, like many administration (and media), put her political party’s optics over the good of the country and tried to hide Joe Biden’s mental decline from the population. She was literally derelict in her most important duty as vice president. How could she be trusted as president?

I’m an independent and I could not and would not vote for her for this reason. I could not and would not vote for Trump either, so I simply didn’t vote.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by derbOac »

ethbr1 wrote: post #42
freehorse wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sort of disagree. There _is_ a process, which optimises for holding people as long as possible for the prison industrial complex to make money. When you privatise these kind of social services, this is what happens. This is not due to a few officials on the ground that just happened by chance to be "incompetent, ignorant, and have contempt for you". As the article concludes, > The reality became clear: Ice detentio…

It's a couple things. One is the private prison industry being incentivized to hold as many people as possible. But there's also a bureaucracy (ICE and State) with little to no pressure to perform better for this particular population (because who cares about criminals?). Consequently, you get an industry that's perfectly happy to warehouse people... coupled with a slow and ineffective government controlling the keys…

Well, now those incentives work in the opposite direction. There have been many reports of Trump being livid that his deportation quotas aren't being met.

When the incentive is a quota rather than just adjudication, you end up with what's going on now.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by liendolucas »

These things wouldn't definitely happen if a reciprocity policy would be in effect. The problem is that if you apply this policy against the US, a country pays its consequences either directly or indirectly. If all countries at least in America agree on to apply reciprocity, maybe things would change a little.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by rjsw »

apples_oranges wrote: post #49
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

I wonder why agents in the field, customs, immigration etc, seem so eager to implement these changes.

They are "Working Towards the Führer" [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw#%22Working_Towards...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by betaby »

littlestymaar wrote: post #73
betaby wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> your attorney's phone Right, people have attorneys. Very common thing ... nowhere?

Nobody does civil disobedience by themselves: you do it as a group and yes the group better find an attorney beforehand …

The article about a person crossing the border. Are they supposed to have an attorney in the destination country?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by blindriver »

tmpz22 wrote: post #68
Swoerd123 wrote: post #14

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Trump won because he took all the liberal policies that the Democrats abandoned for more extreme values and made them his core values. This is why he had the most diverse set of voters in the history of the Republican Party, because many were ex-Democrats.
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