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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by mdp2021 »

drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

Sorry, but only modalities are a new thing, not the discretionary part with all disregard to proportion. Already decades ago people (and high profile people) were stopped at the custom and sent back without justification (reconstructed as "apparent dislike") with the first flight.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by d3nj4l »

apples_oranges wrote: post #94
pjc50 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhetorical question, or are you genuinely asking?

Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what? I mean there's the law or some executive order but there's also leeway in implementing. I am not qualified to judge but it just seems to be some sort of preemptive obedience.

> Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what?

Yes. It's trivial to tell if you're not a citizen and go through customs.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by twUewhag »

jajko wrote: post #85
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like. The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these…

Thanks, the EU is full and has enough immigrants. Why should EU citizens pay outrageous rents, compete against the whole world with their degrees, get lower wages and have prime property bought up by Chinese and Russian oligarchs?

(This does not mean that people should be treated brutally at the border.)

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Swoerd123 »

ozmodiar wrote: post #126
tmpz22 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Is there a Democrat doing ANYTHING beside Bernie Sanders? Chuck Schumer is actively aiding the Republicans at this point. Where are the other Democratic leaders to rally people? Where's Kamala Harris or Hillary, I thought they were supposed to be strong leaders? I only see the far left of the party doing anything at all. I honestly think the Democrats are so captured by corporate interests that they would prefer Trum…

The real question is: Where are the American people? Americans need to get of their asses and stop the fascist in chief.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by exe34 »

apples_oranges wrote: post #94
pjc50 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhetorical question, or are you genuinely asking?

Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what? I mean there's the law or some executive order but there's also leeway in implementing. I am not qualified to judge but it just seems to be some sort of preemptive obedience.

I get the impression that a lot of school bullies get into law enforcement. they don't have the skills/credentials to do anything else and they have the streak of cruelty that you need to fit in.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by blindriver »

apples_oranges wrote: post #94
pjc50 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhetorical question, or are you genuinely asking?

Genuinely. Are they all Trump fans that say "finally we can do what we always wanted to do" or what? I mean there's the law or some executive order but there's also leeway in implementing. I am not qualified to judge but it just seems to be some sort of preemptive obedience.

Obama deported more people than any president in history.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by TacticalCoder »

drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Etheryte »

ttyprintk wrote: post #52
Gigachad wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what America did in the Middle East after 9/11. Just collect up some random people. Claim they are terrorists and send them to Guantanamo bay where they are tortured and raped for a few years for no reason other than to claim they are solving terrorism.

There was an interesting prelude: once the flight restrictions were lifted after 9/11, the FBI packed up 140-160 relatives of Osama Bin Laden living in USA and quietly flew them out of the country.

This sounds odd, how does someone even have 140-160 relatives who are alive?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by pjc50 »

almostgotcaught wrote: post #33
freehorse wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I sort of disagree. There _is_ a process, which optimises for holding people as long as possible for the prison industrial complex to make money. When you privatise these kind of social services, this is what happens. This is not due to a few officials on the ground that just happened by chance to be "incompetent, ignorant, and have contempt for you". As the article concludes, > The reality became clear: Ice detentio…

> There _is_ a process, which optimises for holding people as long as possible for the prison industrial complex to make money "due process" is what you are due - it is what is afforded to you by the 4th amendment and habeus corpus. Op is correct.

However, the US has long been very clear: constitutional rights only apply to citizens. US law is perfectly happy with arbitrary brutality towards non-citizens.

(ECHR is different on this, which has caused a lot of controversy in the UK from people who want to be arbitrarily brutal towards non-citizens)

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by mdp2021 »

apples_oranges wrote: post #49
drumhead wrote: post #22

If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjec…

I wonder why agents in the field, customs, immigration etc, seem so eager to implement these changes.

Among the first questions: are they well trained? Some countries cut corners over expenses...
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