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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Would that be possible in the US? Could Havard annull a degree retrospectively e.g. due to pressure from donors or the president ?

Columbia just did, after pressure from the Trump Administration: https://www.jns.org/columbia-says-it-expelled-some-anti-isra...

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It is silly. What if a twin is born in Canadian airspace and the other on American soil? How big of a difference is it if an infant is born on Monday and their parents immigrate to the US legally on Friday? Irrelevant.

> How big of a difference is it if an infant is born on Monday and their parents immigrate to the US legally on Friday? I don't think your parents even have to be legally in the US for you to become an American. You just have to be born in the US, legally or illegally.

And we should celebrate it for the civilisational advance that it is, promoting it all over the world, instead of continuously attacking its legitimacy.

We have long rejected the idea that blood should dictate your social position in the tribe; but somehow we cling to the idea that it should dictate whether you belong to the tribe at all. Why? It's not with this mindset that we will reach the stars.

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I may be misunderstanding what you’re saying, but it sounds like you’re assuming that women only continue wearing hijab because their families force them to. That’s certainly not the case.

It is extremely rare to meet a hijab girl in Turkey whose family never told her to wear one. For a woman, telling her to wear a hijab as she grows up is pretty much enforcement.

This argument is weird, in all cultures and religions children usually follow their families traditions and beliefs.

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If it wasn't silly apartheid kid psychos like Elon or Peter Thiel could run for president. But fortunately they can't because of those silly requirements. Unfortunately that's not enough to stop psychos that can actually run, as we have all witnessed.

By that argument, we should ban everyone whose Social Security number is even from running. That would prevent about 50% of psychos from running. I say, let them all run, and let the voters sort it out. At least, if you believe in democracy.

Although I agree on the silliness of the citizenship-at-birth rule, a maximalist approach to democracy can be very dangerous. The most unstable democracies of the past century were, often, the most democratic ones - Weimar, various French republics, etc.

The democratic paradox is real, and finding ways to minimize its worst outcomes can be legitimate.

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Isn't it always?

Turkey has a rich history of coups. But when secular parts of the armed forces tried to oust Erdogan's regime by force in 2016, he didn't just fight them off but used the event as a justification to clean house and prevent these things altogether. He's pretty much following Putin's approach at solidifying his position. So 2016 was essentially the death blow to their democracy.

2016 wasn't secular coup. the last of few secular ones were in 2000s, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Justice_and_Development_P...

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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It is extremely rare to meet a hijab girl in Turkey whose family never told her to wear one. For a woman, telling her to wear a hijab as she grows up is pretty much enforcement.

This argument is weird, in all cultures and religions children usually follow their families traditions and beliefs.

Yes, there isn't much sense in talking about choices, then.

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A lot of people.

So they think the UK's main centre-left party has an "unwritten rule" against female leaders, when its main centre-right party very obviously doesn't (having a female leader right now, its fourth, and having just last month marked the fiftieth anniversary of its first election of a female leader). How do they explain that? I mean, what about the UK Labour Party's ideology leads it to having an "unwritten rule" agains…

It's a party about working men not actually a "centre-left party". Hence its decision to humiliate and probably in some cases kill people in order to "encourage work". It looks centre-left on a simplistic axis where the Protestant Work Ethic is assumed as some sort of necessary background rather than an increasingly weird religious belief.

The US does have this problem to a greater extent - don't get me wrong - but the UK doesn't really have a party which is open to the idea that maybe the objectionable thing isn't the use of the words Arbeit Macht Frei over those German camps, the problem is that they're not true.

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From a brief reading of the wikipedia article you linked, I'm under impression that the accusations are baseless (given that there are - supposedly - witnesses and his former classmates that confirm his version, and apparently no whistleblowers that present a proof otherwise). The sources are in Turkish so I didn't consult them[1]. Is the article biased or omits some important context? Since you believe the degree is…

Before the 2000s, depending on how overtly conservative you were and who was in govenenent (coups, counter-coups, and fits of "democracy" happened every couple years), you might not have been allowed to attend at all. An entire generation of women from conservative backgrounds couldn't attend university in Turkiye until the 2000s because of the hijab ban. Unsurprisingly, once conservative Turkish politicians like Erd…

"go to Istanbul Airport sometime and count how many un-hijabed vs hijabed women work as the bathroom cleaning staff."

Out of curiosity, what is the ratio?

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Wasn't aware that a university degree is a requirement to run for president in Turkey. I'm not aware of any other country that does that. edit: Wikipedia actually has a list[1]. Did you know you need to have a bank account to be eligible to become president of France? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidential_qualifica...

> Did you know you need to have a bank account to be eligible to become president of France? In combination with Europe’s PSD2 directive [0], that effectively means you need to have a Google or Apple account to become President of France. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Services_Directive

How do you get from PSD2 to Google/ Apple?
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