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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

jibe wrote: post #224
lazyasciiart wrote: post #198

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Yes, it seems silly. Which countries have had a foreign puppet elected because they lack this provision?

Hitler?

Maybe.

Though probably not: by German law Hitler could already not have been in power, because he wasn't properly a German citizen at the time. (It's all very murky.)

Hitler was already in power illegally. The law we are discussing here would have just made it 'even more illegal'.

(I'm using the weasel wording 'in power' here, because I forgot whether he needed to be a citizen to be a member of the Reichstag at all, or only to become chancellor.)

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #183
dylan604 wrote: post #159

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Having someone born in the country they are looking to lead seems silly to you? With that restriction, it has taken quite some time for a foreign adversary to have a puppet elected vs just shipping in some carpet bagger. Having a minimum age also allows for some decent life experience. After all, 35 years old is not that old.

It is silly. What if a twin is born in Canadian airspace and the other on American soil? How big of a difference is it if an infant is born on Monday and their parents immigrate to the US legally on Friday? Irrelevant.

> How big of a difference is it if an infant is born on Monday and their parents immigrate to the US legally on Friday?

I don't think your parents even have to be legally in the US for you to become an American. You just have to be born in the US, legally or illegally.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

petre wrote: post #250
eru wrote: post #153

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The US requires a fairly high minimum age and for someone to be born American. Those requirements seem also a bit silly and stand in the way of voters expressing their wishes. For some fun times, have a look at the requirements to become president in Singapore. Basically, you either have to have been a senior civil servant before or the CEO of a large and profitable company. https://www.eld.gov.sg/candidate_president…

If it wasn't silly apartheid kid psychos like Elon or Peter Thiel could run for president. But fortunately they can't because of those silly requirements. Unfortunately that's not enough to stop psychos that can actually run, as we have all witnessed.

By that argument, we should ban everyone whose Social Security number is even from running. That would prevent about 50% of psychos from running.

I say, let them all run, and let the voters sort it out.

At least, if you believe in democracy.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

csomar wrote: post #167
eru wrote: post #151

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> Of course, those same conservative politicians then do the exact same shenanigans of corruption, power politics, and authoritarianism, and so the cycle continues. The curious things was that early in Erdogan's reign, that is during the 2000s, Turkey seemed to be genuinely making progress, especially in terms of economic policy and outcomes. That's when he was still making fairly orthodox reforms more or less along…

To be fair, he is still doing the infrastructure build up. I think the only difference is that he has moved from the liberal agenda; but he only followed that agenda to have a shot at the EU membership. Once that became not a viable option, he obviously regressed on that. I don't think keeping the same policies as the 2000s would have avoided the hyper-inflation spirals though it might have marginally helped. Turkey…

What do you mean by 'rent economy'?

Tourism is a pretty good sector for the economy, especially because by its very nature you have to compete internationally with the rest (and best) of the world. There's no shelter behind tariffs or similar.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

alephnerd wrote: post #164
eru wrote: post #151

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> Of course, those same conservative politicians then do the exact same shenanigans of corruption, power politics, and authoritarianism, and so the cycle continues. The curious things was that early in Erdogan's reign, that is during the 2000s, Turkey seemed to be genuinely making progress, especially in terms of economic policy and outcomes. That's when he was still making fairly orthodox reforms more or less along…

> In the last few years we saw more 'interesting' economic ideas from Erdogan, like that high interest rates cause inflation Basically a bailout for AKP aligned construction oligarchs like MAPA Group. Turkiye did the same thing in the 2000s that China did in the 2010s with real estate construction. > Turkey seemed to be genuinely making progress, especially in terms of economic policy and outcomes. That's when he was…

Yes, IMF rules and EU neoliberal orthodoxy actually work.

Have a look at the development of Greek unemployment numbers over the last decade or so. It has been a steady downward march, with Covid merely a minor blip.

(Having said that, unemployment is still at something like 10%. That's bad, but far from 'basket case' territory.)

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by kelnos »

eru wrote: post #270
dylan604 wrote: post #175

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Born in the country lessens the likelihood that you are beholden to more than one master. Born in another country then naturalized still does not rule out sleeper agent situations. Seems pretty obvious to me. I'm one that questions the whole pledge of allegiance forced to be recited by children that have no wherewithal to understand what allegiance even means or the ramifications of that pledge. Yet, I'm okay with bo…

> Born in another country then naturalized still does not rule out sleeper agent situations. Seems pretty obvious to me. Voters can take these things into consideration when casting their ballots. No need to make these choices for them.

I think recent events in the US make it quite clear that voters don't really consider the things that actually matter when electing a president.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

dyauspitr wrote: post #225
eru wrote: post #153

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The US requires a fairly high minimum age and for someone to be born American. Those requirements seem also a bit silly and stand in the way of voters expressing their wishes. For some fun times, have a look at the requirements to become president in Singapore. Basically, you either have to have been a senior civil servant before or the CEO of a large and profitable company. https://www.eld.gov.sg/candidate_president…

Nothing silly about the requirement to be born in the country you’re going to lead.

If you believe in democracy and the will of the people, it seems more appropriate for voters to decide whether they want Arnold Schwarzenegger as president, instead of banning him over a technicality.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by r721 »

>Confirmed: Live metrics show #Turkey has restricted access to multiple social media platforms including X, YouTube, Instagram and TikTok; the incident comes as Istanbul mayor Ekrem Imamoglu and dozens of others are detained in events described by the opposition as a "coup"

https://x.com/netblocks/status/1902230361968427206

>Turkey detains Istanbul mayor Imamoglu in corruption probe

https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-detains-istanbul-mayor-imamoglu...

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by seydor »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #265

You know how people are always saying not to write laws like "Only people with college degrees can run for office", because bad people might weaponize it down the line even if you write it today with the best of intentions?

An authoritarian can weaponize any law really

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by kelnos »

dragonwriter wrote: post #188
psychlops wrote: post #185

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Trump can't run for election again as it's his second term. Voting doesn't apply.

He can't run within the Constitution if it isn't changed. OTOH, his concern about whether his actions are Constitutional and the ability and willingness of any other institution to impose meaningful consequences on his unconstitutional acts don't support the conclusion that his future actions will be limited to what the Constitution allows.

A constitutional amendment to change presidential term limits is essentially impossible to get ratified.

The states run the elections, not the federal government, so any state that actually is faithful to the constitution will not put him on the ballot in 2028 (and will not count votes where he's written in), regardless of what he tries to do. Hopefully that's more than 270 electoral votes worth of states.

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