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Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by simion314 »

tlogan wrote: post #236

There’s a noticeable inconsistency in how Hacker News community reacts to electoral controversies in Romania and Turkey. In Romania, the Constitutional Court disqualified candidate Călin Georgescu based on unproven allegations that he was influenced by Russia. In Turkey, opposition leader and Istanbul Mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu was barred from running after his university degree was annulled under dubious circumstances. Bo…

In Romania you had the constitution and constitutional court involved. The sentiment in Romania is that we do not want a Russian puppet as president, this seems to differ in USA.

But let me inform you that MAGAs and president Elon did not like what the constitutional court decided (if only they knew the guy they supported is a conspirationist that thinks Trump is a joke and faked his shooting in the ear and 911 was an inside job)

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by ivell »

harshreality wrote: post #46
hagbard_c wrote: post #14

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India is quite big. Any Indians around here want to comment on whether these shenanigans are common there? I have the impression they're not but maybe I'm wrong. Talking about India, Lex Fridman interviewed Modi [1] recently, worth a listen or read. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43405546

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar

If your point was the Indian government was involved, there is not evidence to it.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/no-hard-proof-canadas...

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by simion314 »

tlogan wrote: post #257
lolinder wrote: post #241

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Here's the link to the relevant discussion so people can decide for themselves if there actually is a significant difference and come to their own conclusions about why that difference might exist: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42339819 Also, in general I find that people who weigh in with this kind of comment trying to draw parallels and implying that there was some kind of consensus in favor of X which is in…

Thank you for highlighting the discussion about Romanian Constitutional Court’s annulment of the presidential election due to alleged Russian interference. However, there’s a noticeable lack of discourse regarding Turkish President Erdoğan’s actions to maintain power. Nobody is arguing he is right. Anyway both scenarios involve incumbent authorities taking measures that consolidate their hold on power, yet the dispar…

>Thank you for highlighting the discussion about Romanian Constitutional Court’s annulment of the presidential election due to alleged Russian interference.

There is difference, Romanian constitution and laws do not allow unfair elections and the Constitutional Court has the final say. Since the election cancelling a lot more evidence was released to the public , and the Kremlinescu guy with his fascist mercenary friends attempted a violent protest, searches were done , illegal weapons were found, illegal money and finally Kremlinescu after confronted with video evidence admitted he lied all the time when he said he does not know the fascist and mercenary who gave him cache money, cars, protection and threaten the journalist and opponents like a good fascist tradition christian does.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by rapind »

Aurornis wrote: post #154
rapind wrote: post #129

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> Withdrawing properly received credentials opens the door to yet another extra-judicial punishment and we already have too many of those. I don’t understand why this is even an option? So the degree is never truly owned by the recipient then if it can be withdrawn/ revoked? Just another reason not to invest time and money into it.

> Just another reason not to invest time and money into it. No it’s not. Not unless you plan on taking over campus buildings and vandalizing them, I guess. The degree isn’t some unrevocable item that you own. It’s an endorsement from the university. There are contractual agreements involved and it doesn’t take much imagination to think of how taking over a campus building and vandalizing it (while encouraging current…

> The degree isn’t some unrevocable item that you own.

This is what I find so surprising. Having contractual stipulations I would need to abide by AFTER getting my degree for fear of revocation is nonsense to me, gross even. I don’t care if you’re the Unabomber. It’s silly for a university to be policing that. I guess I’m naive.

To be clear, so there’s no temptation to move the goal posts, I’m talking about a degree “already earned and received”.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by whatshisface »

dmix wrote: post #125
matthewdgreen wrote: post #117

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They are both situations in which a University was politically pressured by the government to revoke degrees for political purposes. The difference is just the specific goals of the government doing the pressuring. You don’t think Columbia just coincidentally decided to take this action months after the fact, after having its funding pulled by the US administration, do you?

I don't agree with politically pressuring organizations but it could just as easily be politically motivated to not enforce established rules on criminal behaviour.

This is honestly something very strange to me, because a bunch of academics are the furthest thing on Earth from the police. Why can't vandals have a normal day in court and go to regular jail?

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by nullify88 »

gizzlon wrote: post #219
stickfigure wrote: post #207

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A constitutional amendment requires ratification by 3/4 of the states. Even getting one proposed requires 2/3 of both houses of congress. This is not going to happen. Simply ignoring the constitution and cancelling the vote? There's no way he will be able to shift the Overton window that far in ~3 years.

Are you 100% sure there are no obscure laws or something that can be used to postpone an election somehow? :( How about simply refusing to accept a loss, calling the election rigged and fake.. Or simply putting a puppet as the candidate. Believe Putin did this some years ago.

Start a war perhaps? Taking an example from the Netanyahu playbook.

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by whatshisface »

yupyupyups wrote: post #226
csomar wrote: post #168

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> An entire generation of women from conservative backgrounds couldn't attend university in Turkiye until the 2000s because of the hijab ban. This should have been countered by "forcing" education for everyone. For university, you could do special high subsidies that enable the woman to break from their families. It'll be painful for a couple generations but it does work.

>This should have been countered by "forcing" education for everyone. For university, you could do special high subsidies that enable the woman to break from their families. It'll be painful for a couple generations but it does work. Yikes

I wonder why these comments are always written from the imagined perspective of a space invader that has reformed countless planets already...

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

dylan604 wrote: post #159
eru wrote: post #153

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The US requires a fairly high minimum age and for someone to be born American. Those requirements seem also a bit silly and stand in the way of voters expressing their wishes. For some fun times, have a look at the requirements to become president in Singapore. Basically, you either have to have been a senior civil servant before or the CEO of a large and profitable company. https://www.eld.gov.sg/candidate_president…

Having someone born in the country they are looking to lead seems silly to you? With that restriction, it has taken quite some time for a foreign adversary to have a puppet elected vs just shipping in some carpet bagger. Having a minimum age also allows for some decent life experience. After all, 35 years old is not that old.

> Having a minimum age also allows for some decent life experience. After all, 35 years old is not that old.

Shouldn't that be for voters to decide?

Re: Turkish university annuls Erdogan rival's degree, preventing run for president

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Post by eru »

dylan604 wrote: post #175
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #171

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For me "botn in the country" or "born a citizen of the country" does not mean much. This is like assuming that your birth status makes the person. Think minarchy, castes, ... You can be a naturalized citizen in live with your country, or a born citizen plain stupid and with worst interests in mind.

Born in the country lessens the likelihood that you are beholden to more than one master. Born in another country then naturalized still does not rule out sleeper agent situations. Seems pretty obvious to me. I'm one that questions the whole pledge of allegiance forced to be recited by children that have no wherewithal to understand what allegiance even means or the ramifications of that pledge. Yet, I'm okay with bo…

> Born in another country then naturalized still does not rule out sleeper agent situations. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Voters can take these things into consideration when casting their ballots. No need to make these choices for them.

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