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Two new PebbleOS watches

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Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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These look really appealing. What are the most common use cases for these other than telling the time? Are they gimmicky or actually useful?

Pebble is still way better at sleep (and nap) tracking than Apple Watch.

I have a tendency to stay up late and get up at random times, so I need to track if I get enough sleep.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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All i want is sleep and step tracking. Is this a good option?

Probably not if you care about accuracy. Really good sleep tracking requires more sensors than these devices have.

Quite the opposite. Pebble is great at sleep tracking. They manage to do a better job with Pebble's limited sensors than Apple can with all of their hardware. I have both, I use sleep tracking a lot, and I've compared them.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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As a consumer, the price is whatever I have to pay to receive the product. You seem to be confusing it with revenue.

I think "price" is an imprecise term that could refer to the pre-tax/tariff amount or the post-tax/tariff amount. It would include shipping, if there is no other way to get the device (as is the case here). But regardless, they're not saying they would increase the "price" (whatever that means), but just that if the tariff situation changes, then the customer will need to pay the additional tariff. This is the same a…

The difference between sales tax and a tariff is that the consumer pays the sales tax while the importer pays the tariff. In other words, I'm not presented with a "price + taxes + tariff." I'm presented with a "price + taxes" where the price is supposed to bake in the seller's costs (which may include tariffs) and a margin of profit. Likewise, if the price increases to allow for additional tariffs, I will also pay more in taxes.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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I'll be hanging out here - happy to answer any questions you have!

Any ideas what the screen refresh rate is going to be at this point? All the screenshots don't have time that includes seconds, and having a watch face that can update at least every second would be a requirement for me. (I know e-ink displays can have fast refresh rates, like the 60Hz / fps Daylight computer - but that may not be cost effective / battery efficient here?)

The Daylight computer DC-1 isn't e-ink it's a reflective LCD by the way. Different screen technology.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40457491

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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I ordered one, with no experience although like the story and heard about the original. One very frustrating concern - the warranty. This is $255+ for a device that is only good for 3 million seconds. Would it be possible to arrange replacement at cost after 2 years?

I have no reason to think that it will not work well for 2 years, but I am not prepared to guarantee that in a warranty. That would be taking on too much risk as a small company.

Your explanation is reason enough to cancel. I have experienced enough hardware fails the day after the warranty to avoid purchasing anything that I do not consider disposable. I still have my Vector watch which suffered the same fate as Pebble. I am curious about the risk of a "at cost" replacement. I have avoided buying a FitBit to replace my existing FitBit because their warranty is also limited to "one year" which is basically Wearable as a Service.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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MSRP of 3x COGS is a pretty common rule of thumb for hardware. Have to leave room for distribution, software, R&D, returns, SG&A, etc. End of the day, it's probably still only 30-40% gross margin -- less than half of a good SaaS company. Hardware is (indeed!) hard.

But then how could you call that 100 profit in any way? If you made at most like 30-50?

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Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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I was surprised at the time how cheap the original Pebbles were, they were nearly exactly what I wanted and I would have been willing to pay more for mine. In fact I ultimately paid more to replace mine with a watch I like less. When Pebble folded I wondered if having too low of price ultimately hurt them - if they didn't pick up enough customers to make up on volume what they left off the table on per-unit revenue?…

There's a big difference: it's 2025 and there are no shortage of competitors that look better and have more features than a $150 Pebble 2 or $225 Time 2. Unlike 2015 the market already has a $200 Apple Watch, $60 Amazfit Bip, $55 CMF Watch Pro, and a $220 Coros Pace which will track an ultramarathon. All these devices are made by mature companies and have multiple revisions.

I liked my Pebbles, but I won't spend $300 on one because the chance of failure (again) is so great.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Core 2 Duo is a pretty funny name. Are you going to sell replacement parts this time? I was immensely disappointed to see the initial watches being pretty repairable in theory, but no parts being sold. It was marketed as a tinkerer‘s device after all. I’m wearing my Pebble Time Steel right now - and quite like it. Haven’t found anything better. It could use some better activity tracking, but the worst thing about it…

There's no way it's actually shipping with that name, right?

I'm gonna name everything I make "Metallica"

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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I'm super excited to hear this announcement!

For those of us interested in health metrics - can we expect the precision of the heart rate sensor to be sufficient for calculating HRV (heart rate variability)? It doesn't have to be natively supported, but I'd love to see a third party app offer this some day... In fact I may work on it myself, provided the data from HR sensor is good enough.

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