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Two new PebbleOS watches
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Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can track elevation with barometer which is nice for casual hiking in the mountains
I had an old Suunto from before they went to crap, by far my favourite function was vertical speed, and it relied only on the accelerometer (the watch had GPS, but turning it on killed battery life). I still tried a couple of newer models but they removed that function.
The accelerometer? How can the accelerometer measure speed? It would drift to massive error very quickly.
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny, aren't you USers used to not knowing what you'll pay for something because the advertised prices don't include sales taxes and administrative fees and whatever fees and service charges and tips that are not service charges?
Never a good look to assume where someone is located :) FWIW, I'm in south-Europe, maybe that's why I got surprised I wouldn't have known the final price until the device would land in my hand?
Haven't bought something from outside the EU in a while? They charge us at least VAT (maybe over a certain price, depending on your jurisdiction) :)
Large stores can afford to precalculate this and use a service that will handle taxes for you, small stores not so much so you may end paying it personally on receiving the package. But they can afford to precalculate it if the taxes are known in advance (usually starts at whatever your country's VAT rate is).
Now in this case, shipping to the US looks like it will be randomly taxed depending on the phase of the moon and how well Trump has slept last night, so this warning is fair. You can't expect them to absorb a 50% import tax if it's established tomorrow.
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 2) It's not a running watch. I'd recommend getting garmin if you're looking for that. I think we are on the same page but I've communicated poorly. Why even include a heart rate sensor on a watch that is not intended for exercising in when the trade-off is sacrificing comfort and raising the complexity and cost of the design?
1. Every watch with a sensor towards your skin has a bump. Every example I've looked at has a much larger one. 2. People already exercise in metal straps and aluminum Garmins. These just seem like you-things. Which is fine, but you should temper your complaints/bikeshedding accordingly.
I acknowledge this is a niche concern/complaint but this is a niche product for a niche base of folks, I'm simply curious about why. I want this to succeed and be sustainable so I asked about the utility of the sensor and provided a counter example since it's additional raises complexity.
It is not common to wear watches for more than a few days at a time simply because there are not many whose battery will last that long. The effects of fatigue/pressure point from the sensor bump are less observed but not missing. With 30 days on wrist, I can extrapolate that fatigue will be more pronounced - so I am calling it out. I understand I am a small sample size but I have 2 watches whose battery lasts 7 days and the one without the bump is more pleasant to wear for a week between charges. To the point that I always reach for the comfort option and eventually sold off the other.
On a lighter note, I do hope I'm not providing a series of increasingly bizarre and nonsensical questions or scenarios ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YDpvMYk5jA
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#175Core 2 Duo is a pretty funny name. Are you going to sell replacement parts this time? I was immensely disappointed to see the initial watches being pretty repairable in theory, but no parts being sold. It was marketed as a tinkerer‘s device after all. I’m wearing my Pebble Time Steel right now - and quite like it. Haven’t found anything better. It could use some better activity tracking, but the worst thing about it…
I came to say Core 2 Duo is a terrible name :/
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#176I'll be hanging out here - happy to answer any questions you have!
Anyway to put in even a slow LTE chip for emergency calls ? I would pay an irrational amount of money for a watch that can make calls that has a very long battery life.
Calls? Or just emergency texts?
The closest thing to what you probably want is the Garmin Forerunner 945 LTE:
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/698632
Discontinued, but young for Garmin devices and still available if you're willing to pay irrational amounts of money. It doesn't make audio calls out, but can receive audio messages (to Bluetooth headphones) and send/receive "emergency" text messages either to the Garmin emergency response center (sends a helicopter to your location, if required) or by SMS with a few canned messages or tediously entered custom messages to to a predefined, pre-approved set of emergency contacts, as described here:
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2021/06/garmin-forerunner-945-de...
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
The chip inside claims to support Bluetooth Low Energy, Bluetooth mesh, NFC, Thread and Zigbee. Maybe someone can hack together a payments app using the NFC?
Payment is more of tamper resistance and trust problem than protocol problem. You don't want a hackable card tied to your credit.
Speak for yourself, I'd love one!
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you apply for a trademark you have to say what type of products/services it involves. Intel did make a smartwatch for a while, but I don't think it had a Core Due chipset!
Yeah but I think that's only a factor in the consideration. I doubt it cancels out identical and very distinct names.
The main thing is if a consumer would be confused. I don't think consumers would be confused about an ancient Intel processor and a brand new smartwarch.
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny, aren't you USers used to not knowing what you'll pay for something because the advertised prices don't include sales taxes and administrative fees and whatever fees and service charges and tips that are not service charges?
No, those questions are answered at point of sale in the US like when you click a Checkout button or you're at the cash register. Prices changing after a preorder is completely different and not anything US specific.
Well in europe letting me know what the real price is only at the cash register and not when I check out the product in the store is as unusual as your problem with import duties :)
I think it may even be illegal for consumer prices. What they display or list in the contract is what you pay.
But on the other hand I'm used to paying import taxes separately when ordering something from outside the EU.
Re: Two new PebbleOS watches
#180I'm pleased the pricing is so low. I did some math and if they're making 10k of these (not clear if that's each or all together), there's not a ton of money to be made. Assuming $100 average profit, that's a $2M for 20k watches. Given the work opportunities that the founder and other employees have, that's not a lot of money for them to make in a year, and it comes with significant risk. Basically seems like this is…
$100 profit on a $150 watch would be crazy. Rest of the post seems made up too. I don't know where these numbers are coming from. I'm genuinely confused.
MSRP of 3x COGS is a pretty common rule of thumb for hardware. Have to leave room for distribution, software, R&D, returns, SG&A, etc. End of the day, it's probably still only 30-40% gross margin -- less than half of a good SaaS company. Hardware is (indeed!) hard.