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Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by bornfreddy »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #109
JoshTriplett wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The heart rate sensor patents were ruled unpatentable: https://www.tomsguide.com/wellness/smartwatches/apple-watch-... > This week, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit upheld the previous verdict of the Patent Trial and Appeal Board that concluded all three of AliveCor’s patents were unpatentable. This is generally the outcome when courts conclude that patents are either obvious or too generic to enforce.…

That story is about heart rate sensors. The Masimo case is about oximetry, and AFAIK Apple is still blocked from selling watches with this feature.

Yes, it looks like Apple "won" their reciprocal patent cases against Masimo but basically got $250 for it, and no injunction. The case against Apple is still blocking them from selling watches with oximetry.

https://pharmaphorum.com/news/apple-wins-masimo-lawsuit-its-...

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by IshKebab »

nebulous1 wrote: post #101
apparent wrote: post #48

I'm pleased the pricing is so low. I did some math and if they're making 10k of these (not clear if that's each or all together), there's not a ton of money to be made. Assuming $100 average profit, that's a $2M for 20k watches. Given the work opportunities that the founder and other employees have, that's not a lot of money for them to make in a year, and it comes with significant risk. Basically seems like this is…

$100 profit on a $150 watch would be crazy. Rest of the post seems made up too. I don't know where these numbers are coming from. I'm genuinely confused.

Nah that's pretty typical, depending on what you mean by "profit".

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by modeless »

Vurdentium wrote: post #97
QuantumNoodle wrote: post #71

As someone who has exclusively worn a pebble since it was crowd funded, I am trilled. I love purpose built devices[0] that don't attempt to do everything. I don't need a watch that does everything, just triage notification and perform time related activities and get out of the way. Pebble has always fit that niche. The fact that I can hack on it and mold it to my needs has been icing. I have some sincere questions on…

Can you tell me if the Pebble can do this... On my Samsung Galaxy watch, if I get a notification from my Unifi security cameras, for example, I get a little thumbnail image appear on my watch. There's no special app on my watch, just the app on my paired Galaxy phone. Will it do this? Or would I just get a text notification? I don't understand smart watches well enough to know how much they are doing themselves vs ho…

The Pebble software doesn't have support for images in notifications right now. But it definitely could/should be added. And it's open source, so you could even do it yourself!

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by apparent »

IshKebab wrote: post #139
apparent wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you apply for a trademark you have to say what type of products/services it involves. Intel did make a smartwatch for a while, but I don't think it had a Core Due chipset!

Yeah but I think that's only a factor in the consideration. I doubt it cancels out identical and very distinct names.

Perhaps a trademark lawyer can weigh in. My understanding is that a trademark is strictly limited to the areas (both in terms of geography and vertical) claimed in the application. This is why Apple didn't have to do battle with the Beatles until they got into the music business.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by hombre_fatal »

nottorp wrote: post #137
diggan wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If tariffs change dramatically, we will pass these costs along to you and require further payment, even for US orders. Under the "What if the tariff situation changes?" section on https://store.repebble.com/ I was excited and about to purchase one until I saw this "We might not ship the device unless you pay us more" thing. I get that the economy is very up in the air right now in the US, but sucks that seemingly o…

Funny, aren't you USers used to not knowing what you'll pay for something because the advertised prices don't include sales taxes and administrative fees and whatever fees and service charges and tips that are not service charges?

No, those questions are answered at point of sale in the US like when you click a Checkout button or you're at the cash register.

Prices changing after a preorder is completely different and not anything US specific.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by modeless »

greetings wrote: post #36

Are there any plans for a circular screen? I would love one of these devices, but the screen feels like it may be bulky on my wrist.

Eric has mentioned that they might later do a Pebble Time Round equivalent. Not this year though.

And I have the perfect name for it: the Second Time ‘Round.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by modeless »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #47

Pretty cool. I'd like to hack around with the HR sensor, so I pre-ordered the Time 2. What are good resources for looking into building an app for it? I see the OS is hosted here https://github.com/pebble-dev/pebble-firmware But most pebble-related google searches bring up ancient material and I'm not sure what's still relevant.

The ancient material is relevant because nothing has changed since the company went out of business :) I'm wearing a Pebble right now and I was able to update one of my favorite watchfaces using a docker container of the old Pebble SDK. The blog post says there will be an updated SDK released with the new watches.

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by diggan »

nottorp wrote: post #137
diggan wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If tariffs change dramatically, we will pass these costs along to you and require further payment, even for US orders. Under the "What if the tariff situation changes?" section on https://store.repebble.com/ I was excited and about to purchase one until I saw this "We might not ship the device unless you pay us more" thing. I get that the economy is very up in the air right now in the US, but sucks that seemingly o…

Funny, aren't you USers used to not knowing what you'll pay for something because the advertised prices don't include sales taxes and administrative fees and whatever fees and service charges and tips that are not service charges?

Never a good look to assume where someone is located :)

FWIW, I'm in south-Europe, maybe that's why I got surprised I wouldn't have known the final price until the device would land in my hand?

Re: Two new PebbleOS watches

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Post by delecti »

margalabargala wrote: post #44
apparent wrote: post #33

This blog post [1] makes it seem like the cheaper model has a barometer and compass, but the more expensive one does not. Anyone know if that is true? 1: https://ericmigi.com/blog/introducing-two-new-pebbleos-watch...

Everything appears to point that way, yes. This thread is full of people complaining how these aren't like their preferred watches, in terms of design, face shape, no GPS, etc. I think this is a much more valid criticism in that their expensive flagship watch is not like their cheaper watch.

> This thread is full of people complaining how these aren't like their preferred watches

Which is funny to me because that's explicitly the point.

> These watches are not made for everyone. We want to be upfront with you about what to expect.

It's probably the most frustrating part of smartwatches. Everyone has a different list of mandatory features, and few seem to accept that their list isn't universal. Unlike phones where just about all of them have just about all the features, the smartwatch market is a wild west. It makes finding the right one for you a lot of work, and it's understandably disappointing when a watch checks all but one or two of your "must have"s.

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