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US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by [deleted] »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #34
sarcasmatwork wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember when Joe defied the supreme court for student loans? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/2932356/...

He didn't ignore it, he tried to achieve the same outcome via a different method. That's very different then just ignoring the order entirely.

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Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by aaronrobinson »

ckemere wrote: post #3

An interesting question is if/when there will be big protests. Ignoring a judge is a breach of constitutional order, and if people don’t speak up for Venezuelan “gang members”, it becomes normalized, and quickly can escalate. I think we’ve all been waiting to see how long it would take to get here (if ever). Now what next???

Protests are invasions

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by Terr_ »

nadermx wrote: post #10
ckemere wrote: post #3

An interesting question is if/when there will be big protests. Ignoring a judge is a breach of constitutional order, and if people don’t speak up for Venezuelan “gang members”, it becomes normalized, and quickly can escalate. I think we’ve all been waiting to see how long it would take to get here (if ever). Now what next???

This poses an interesting legal question. Since the judge ruled once the plane was in international airspace, would the US have jurisdiction? Or would say mercantile laws or airspace laws apply making it a weird legal hack to deport these "gang members"?

If US law doesn't matter to US planes run by the US government, then...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_flights

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by croisillon »

hagbard_c wrote: post #33
Freedom2 wrote: post #27

It's curious that a lot of Venezuelans campaigned for Trump and this is the outcome at the end. I doubt anyone could have seen this coming, for sure.

Do you think Venezuelans who campaigned for Trump/the Republicans want members of a violent prison gang to remain in the country they call their new home, given their nationality and with that themselves a bad name? They'll be pleased to see Trump make good on his promises just like most people are pleased to see illegal gang bangers removed from the country.

funny how the guy requesting a no politic rule * ends up commenting mainly under those

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43122960

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by hagbard_c »

croisillon wrote: post #45
hagbard_c wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Venezuelans who campaigned for Trump/the Republicans want members of a violent prison gang to remain in the country they call their new home, given their nationality and with that themselves a bad name? They'll be pleased to see Trump make good on his promises just like most people are pleased to see illegal gang bangers removed from the country.

funny how the guy requesting a no politic rule * ends up commenting mainly under those * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43122960

Did you read what I wrote there? Just in case you did not I'll quote it with emphasis on the important parts:

"One of the differences between this site and the otherwise comparable Reddit is that politics is supposed to be mostly off-limits here where it can run wild on the former site. Had the election been won by 'the correct candidate' (according to the same vocal minority) I suspect that similar griping from the opposing side would have been slammed down hard as being off-topic so my question is: what is different this time around? Why is politics suddenly a relevant topic here?"

It is the rules for thee but not for (D) which I reacted to there. Either all politics are off-limits or none are. Given that political discussions seem to be the new thing here the latter seems to be the case.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by barbazoo »

Aloisius wrote: post #40
barbazoo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are too economically enslaved to mass protest.

You say that like historical general strikers were more economically independent than today.

I doubt people were as much in debt historically as the average American is today.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by Aloisius »

barbazoo wrote: post #47
Aloisius wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that like historical general strikers were more economically independent than today.

I doubt people were as much in debt historically as the average American is today.

They didn't have relatively easy access to credit while striking either.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Post by cudgy »

tmpz22 wrote: post #32

American judicial jurisprudence is paramount to American business interests and informed discourse is vital to anyone wishing to conduct a successful enterprise. That this is flagged is concerning... as it amounts to saying court decisions, compliance, and enforcement, are irrelevant to this forum. As we saw on the thread yesterday by a YC immigration lawyer there is a real immediate impact to his community and it sh…

The “discussion” seems one-sided and any dissent is downvoted to oblivion. Maybe that is why these are flagged by people. They are not discussions.
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