Earlier quoted context omitted.
People do protest…
Not in a way that convinces the ruling class to change their ways.
I think that rarely happens anywhere. That’s a high bar.
I’d argue elections are more impactful.
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#22An interesting question is if/when there will be big protests. Ignoring a judge is a breach of constitutional order, and if people don’t speak up for Venezuelan “gang members”, it becomes normalized, and quickly can escalate. I think we’ve all been waiting to see how long it would take to get here (if ever). Now what next???
There won't be a big protest over this because there is already too much fragmentation of protests and only so much organization and time, and also people are cowards.
In the last two weeks I've been to 3 protests in the NYC area:
- Stand with Ukraine
- Stand for Science
- Tesla Takedown
In the same time there have been protest for Khalil and a protest against the entitlement cuts, as well as protests in support of Veterans.
However, this (wrongful and illegal arrest/detention/deportation) _should_ be the biggest protest, because if Trump backed off all of the other things and was able to get away with normalizing this use of DoJ and federal law enforcement to disappear people into the legal system, then nobody will protest anything out of legitimate fear of being disappeared.
My observation of most Americans protesting is that they are doing it for the social/emotional aspects and aren't doing it with the intent of putting themselves in any real risk... and I think what you'll see is that when things get REALLY serious, those people will say things like "I was out there from 2017 - 2024 and protests didn't do anything, I'm not going to risk my career/family/well-being/life anymore for nothing".
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#23I encourage you to read the government's appeal to the DC Circuit Court. It is terrifying. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69742127/01208720432/jg ... The government is saying that it can declare that transnational crime is an "invasion" under the Alien Enemies Act, and that the courts cannot review this decision. Therefore, they can arrest, deport, or transfer to a prison in a third country, any non-citizen and…
That's the law. Perhaps we shouldn't give the president, or any one person, that much authority?
(When was the last declared war in the USA??)
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#24Law doesn’t matter with this administration. SCOTUS decided the president was exempt from the law and the consequences are obvious…
That is NOT what the SCOTUS decision said at all. This is a hysterical comment that’s not cool on HN. Here’s the ruling which talks about what Presidential actions carry executive immunity and when they do not (Syllabus (2), when authority is shared by Congress). https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf
They have expanded it to the point the point of the lines they drew are meaningless.
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#26Law doesn’t matter with this administration. SCOTUS decided the president was exempt from the law and the consequences are obvious…
Do you remember when Joe defied the supreme court for student loans? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/2932356/...
For some reason I'm a lot less worried about that.
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#27It's curious that a lot of Venezuelans campaigned for Trump and this is the outcome at the end. I doubt anyone could have seen this coming, for sure.
Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order
#28I encourage you to read the government's appeal to the DC Circuit Court. It is terrifying. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69742127/01208720432/jg ... The government is saying that it can declare that transnational crime is an "invasion" under the Alien Enemies Act, and that the courts cannot review this decision. Therefore, they can arrest, deport, or transfer to a prison in a third country, any non-citizen and…
That's the law. Perhaps we shouldn't give the president, or any one person, that much authority? (When was the last declared war in the USA??)
The law is pretty clearly about a literal invasion or military incursion, not a metaphorical "invasion". If the Alien Enemies Act was designed for transnational crime, then it would not be an emergency law - it could be invoked at any time for a whole host of countries.
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#29It's curious that a lot of Venezuelans campaigned for Trump and this is the outcome at the end. I doubt anyone could have seen this coming, for sure.
Do citizen Venezuelans want gang members here just because they share the same homeland?