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Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do protest…

Could people do a strike that would cripple key industries or cause massive disruption to the government?

Would it matter to an administration that has no problems with government being crippled? Industries who are not in power?

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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American judicial jurisprudence is paramount to American business interests and informed discourse is vital to anyone wishing to conduct a successful enterprise.

That this is flagged is concerning... as it amounts to saying court decisions, compliance, and enforcement, are irrelevant to this forum. As we saw on the thread yesterday by a YC immigration lawyer there is a real immediate impact to his community and it should be discussed not banned.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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It's curious that a lot of Venezuelans campaigned for Trump and this is the outcome at the end. I doubt anyone could have seen this coming, for sure.

Do you think Venezuelans who campaigned for Trump/the Republicans want members of a violent prison gang to remain in the country they call their new home, given their nationality and with that themselves a bad name?

They'll be pleased to see Trump make good on his promises just like most people are pleased to see illegal gang bangers removed from the country.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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Law doesn’t matter with this administration. SCOTUS decided the president was exempt from the law and the consequences are obvious…

Do you remember when Joe defied the supreme court for student loans? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/2932356/...

He didn't ignore it, he tried to achieve the same outcome via a different method. That's very different then just ignoring the order entirely.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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I encourage you to read the government's appeal to the DC Circuit Court. It is terrifying. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69742127/01208720432/jg ... The government is saying that it can declare that transnational crime is an "invasion" under the Alien Enemies Act, and that the courts cannot review this decision. Therefore, they can arrest, deport, or transfer to a prison in a third country, any non-citizen and…

That's the law. Perhaps we shouldn't give the president, or any one person, that much authority? (When was the last declared war in the USA??)

The law doesn't allow deporting to a different country to jail them, which is happening here. I'd be much less concerned if they were going back to Venezuela, however, they're going to a special prison in El Salvador that we pay for, but isn't under our legal system.

I would also say that I was, am still are, totally against Gitmo, as that was illegal as well, but less illegal, as we ran the facility.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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It's curious that a lot of Venezuelans campaigned for Trump and this is the outcome at the end. I doubt anyone could have seen this coming, for sure.

Do you think Venezuelans who campaigned for Trump/the Republicans want members of a violent prison gang to remain in the country they call their new home, given their nationality and with that themselves a bad name? They'll be pleased to see Trump make good on his promises just like most people are pleased to see illegal gang bangers removed from the country.

If these two hundred and something folks were guilty of being part of a transnational crime organization I'll be happy to see them pay their time, but so far I only know their crime was to be brown and Latino in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What's been discussed here is the need for due process and how this makes anyone vulnerable, because now by default everyone can be guilty without recourse.

Tomorrow someone might say you're part of "antifa" and whatever that word means and boom, your rights are vulnerable and your integrity at risk.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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It's curious that a lot of Venezuelans campaigned for Trump and this is the outcome at the end. I doubt anyone could have seen this coming, for sure.

Do you think Venezuelans who campaigned for Trump/the Republicans want members of a violent prison gang to remain in the country they call their new home, given their nationality and with that themselves a bad name? They'll be pleased to see Trump make good on his promises just like most people are pleased to see illegal gang bangers removed from the country.

Until their innocent kid with tattoos gets kidnapped to El Salvador or Guantanamo.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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An interesting question is if/when there will be big protests. Ignoring a judge is a breach of constitutional order, and if people don’t speak up for Venezuelan “gang members”, it becomes normalized, and quickly can escalate. I think we’ve all been waiting to see how long it would take to get here (if ever). Now what next???

There won't be a big protest over this because there is already too much fragmentation of protests and only so much organization and time, and also people are cowards. In the last two weeks I've been to 3 protests in the NYC area: - Stand with Ukraine - Stand for Science - Tesla Takedown In the same time there have been protest for Khalil and a protest against the entitlement cuts, as well as protests in support of V…

> There won't be a big protest over this because there is already too much fragmentation of protests and only so much organization and time, and also people are cowards.

There won’t be a protest over this because the optics are bad. Democrats already learned their lesson that defending violent gang members doesn’t work in their favor because of the whole MS-13/“Animals” stuff back in 2019. There is simply no way to oppose this without looking sympathetic to murderous thugs.

Re: US deports Venezuelans despite court order

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An interesting question is if/when there will be big protests. Ignoring a judge is a breach of constitutional order, and if people don’t speak up for Venezuelan “gang members”, it becomes normalized, and quickly can escalate. I think we’ve all been waiting to see how long it would take to get here (if ever). Now what next???

People are too economically enslaved to mass protest.

You say that like historical general strikers were more economically independent than today.
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