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Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Non-profits and ngos have such enormous potential for fraud and abuse. You get your political friends to setup an ngo, give it a nice name like "Climate Progress Coalition" or "Equity Action Network" etc. Hand it a billion dollars of hard-earned taxpayer money and it can then do (without oversight) what would be illegal for the govt to do with oversight. The potential for abuse is limitless...million-dollar salaries,…

Yes yes American nonprofits, with their mandatory annual public financial disclosures including key individuals salaries, famously a great and easy way to misappropriate monies.

Sorry but this is a ridiculously naive take.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Yes yes American nonprofits, with their mandatory annual public financial disclosures including key individuals salaries, famously a great and easy way to misappropriate monies.

Have you read any of the disclosure forms? They're a joke. I read the 990 for one organization (NLIHC [0]), a mostly-government-funded organization with >10M in "revenue". They're required to list their three most cost-intensive activities in field 4a of the 990, and brother, those people don't do a damn thing. They listed 1) they helped local governments spend tax money 2) made 8 pamphlets (the one I saw was ~10 pag…

> NLIHC

not mentioned in or at all related to TFA, but go off.

> mostly-government-funded

False. Just blatantly wrong. The 990 you linked reports zero revenue from government sources, (part 8, line 1e) and 21m from other grants and contributions (i.e. private sources). Regrettably their website's donors page is broken, but their most recent annual report[1] reports large contributions from exactly the large grant-making foundations you'd expect (Robert Wood Johnson, Hilton, Melville, Ballmer, Annie E. Casey, ...).

> 400k

354k, plus 44k in other benefits (i.e. health insurance etc.). Regardless, yes people working for nonprofits get paid. These are professional organizations. The people that fund these organizations want their contributions to be effectively utilized to pursue the mission of the nonprofit. Finding people who will accept the absolute minimum rarely leads to an effective, sustainable organization.

> deliverable

This is (primarily) an advocacy organization. Research, data, reports, analysis, consultancy, marketing material, etc. are their byproduct and collateral. Their goal is to cause impactful, beneficial programs to be funded, implemented, and have their effects realized by the needy populations their serve. The programs they've supported (e.g. National Housing Trust Fund) and their continued and growing support from private foundations should be evidence of success in their mission.

[1]: https://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/2023_ANNUAL_REPORT.pdf

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Just because you are unhappy with how things are being governed doesn't mean democracy is failing, etc. We just had an election, and the current administration won. Midterms are just around the corner. This is exactly how things are supposed to work.

Congress voluntarily giving up its powers to the executive branch [0] (unfortunately not new, but worsening), isn't exactly Democracy failing, but it's certainly a breakdown of the system of checks and balances upon which our Federal government was conceived, and is most definitely not "how things are supposed to work". [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/house-republicans-block-con...

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Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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Yes yes American nonprofits, with their mandatory annual public financial disclosures including key individuals salaries, famously a great and easy way to misappropriate monies.

Sorry but this is a ridiculously naive take.

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Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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And your first mistake is assuming I'm okay with a Democrat administration overlooking potential criminal actions. That's a lot of the times the difference. Many left leaning people will say "and they should be prosecuted too" which is almost ... shocking ... to some on the other side (and not in part because they really see it as 'sides'). > Raiding your opponents house because you think they're improperly storing d…

> Why didn't it rise to the same level? Maybe because he didn't actively try to sabotage an investigation into it. That is tantamount to saying the issue isn't the mis-storing of classified documents, but that Biden didn't feel like threatened by an investigation from the Biden administration. Colour me shocked. That and the lawfare the Democrats were engaging in through the last election cycle was blatant process ab…

The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-...

Why do you defend Trump so vehemently?

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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post #114

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> Why didn't it rise to the same level? Maybe because he didn't actively try to sabotage an investigation into it. That is tantamount to saying the issue isn't the mis-storing of classified documents, but that Biden didn't feel like threatened by an investigation from the Biden administration. Colour me shocked. That and the lawfare the Democrats were engaging in through the last election cycle was blatant process ab…

The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-... Why do you defend Trump so vehemently?

> The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden.

He was then pardoned. By his father. Is that really the example you want to use to show Joe Biden upholding the rule of law fairly?

I don't even think it is particularly bad, there is a standing convention that presidents can do illegal things and get away with it as long as it isn't too sensitive, apparently that extends to close family. So be it. But if that is the standard, that standard applies to Trump too. I mean, if Biden thinks that taxes are optional and he is responsible improperly storing documents himself then he has no business organising FBI raids of his political opponents for doing something a bit off. Or the follow up special prosecution, adding actual abuse of power by the Biden admin to what could maybe be brushed off as miscommunication or terrible optics up to then. He clearly understands that this is normal behaviour for someone in high office.

It is this weird dynamic where the left wing clearly understands that these behaviours are bad, but only choose to recognise them as such when Trump can be targeted. Is it so terrible to accept that it is also bad when any other politician misbehaves? Consistency is necessary to make the system hold together. Trump behaving in a manner consistent with the laws and of a high ethical standard would be really nice. It would be nice if any president behaved that way. We're still waiting for one that does. On the scale of presidents Trump scores pretty highly for good behaviour. He hasn't invaded a country under false pretences which makes him the best Republican president in around 30 years. We can speculate that any war crimes he committed were probably more accidental than the purposeful use of torture by the Bush administration too.

And then tomorrow someone will be arguing that these are the people who should control healthcare or education or whatever.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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“Can you proffer any evidence that [the grant] was illegal, or evidence of abuse or fraud or bribery — that any of that was improperly or unlawfully done, other than the fact that Mr. Zeldin doesn’t like it?” Judge Tanya Chutkan said. Judge Chutkan also ordered the Justice Department to provide the court with details about the alleged fraud, “because I don’t have the credible evidence that’s required.” This whole cal…

Chutkan is quite familiar with this administration's methods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_Chutkan#Notable_cases

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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post #127

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The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-... Why do you defend Trump so vehemently?

> The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. He was then pardoned. By his father. Is that really the example you want to use to show Joe Biden upholding the rule of law fairly? I don't even think it is particularly bad, there is a standing convention that presidents can do illegal things and get away with it as long as it isn't too sensitive, apparently that extends to close family. So…

Biden gave Trump way more leniency about improperly storing classified documents than he gave himself. Because trump didn’t merely improperly store those documents, he stole them and then hid them and then lied about their existence when questioned about them, and then refused to give them back when formally asked for them.

Stop pretending that Trump is the same as Democrats. He is in a league of criminality that he shares with his buddy Putin, and it’s way worse than any we have ever seen in the US.

Re: FBI, EPA, and Treasury told Citibank to freeze funds to claw back climate money

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post #127

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The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-... Why do you defend Trump so vehemently?

> The only political figure convicted while Biden was in office was… Biden. He was then pardoned. By his father. Is that really the example you want to use to show Joe Biden upholding the rule of law fairly? I don't even think it is particularly bad, there is a standing convention that presidents can do illegal things and get away with it as long as it isn't too sensitive, apparently that extends to close family. So…

I realize no set of facts will change your mind. The difference between the classified documents cases has been pointed out several times in this thread, yet you continue to point to that as some kind of evidence of equivalence. If you don't want to acknowledge the difference between owning up to a fuckup and intentionally obstructing an investigation to try and cover up your misdeeds, there’s nothing more to be said about that.

If you consider Biden pardoning his son so egregious, I think you’d agree the pardons of the thousand defendants of the violent riot on January 6 would be even more disgraceful? If your cherry picked metric for a good president is “didn’t start a war”, I’ll counter with “didn’t encourage riots to obstruct the peaceful transition of power, then pardon all those involved to intimidate anyone who dares challenge him”

It’s pretty clear to me the only person who Trump cares about is Trump. I don’t understand why anyone would defend a person with such obvious disdain and lack of empathy for people, so I’ll just leave it at that. Enjoy the carnage that Trump leaves behind for the rest of us to pick up and rebuild.

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