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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by scarface_74 »

kadoban wrote: post #508
scarface_74 wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What could possibly go wrong giving the same government that is currently deleting information from websites including references to the “Enola Gay” control over models?

The US needs to fix its government anyway. If they cannot, nothing else matters.

Don’t forget that the pearl clutching is on both sides.

It was Tipper Gore that thought the world would come to an end because of rap music.

Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by kadoban »

scarface_74 wrote: post #511
kadoban wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US needs to fix its government anyway. If they cannot, nothing else matters.

Don’t forget that the pearl clutching is on both sides. It was Tipper Gore that thought the world would come to an end because of rap music. Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary.

The current regime is in a fascist power grab and you're both-sidsing some random-ass second lady from a generation ago? Yeah wonder why we can't have effective government.

> Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary.

Let's stop giving corporations all of the power and get a government that actually works for us.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by xvector »

arkadiytehgraet wrote: post #225
api wrote: post #197

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OpenAI lobbied for restrictive rules, and now they want an "out" but only for themselves. Absolute naked regulatory capture.

I believe with regulatory capture the companies that pushed for the regulation in the first place at least comply with it (and hopefully the regulation is not worthless). This behaviour by ClosedAI is even worse: push for the regulation, then push for the exemption.

We all predicted this would happen but somehow the highly intelligent employees at OpenAI getting paid north of $1M could not foresee this obvious eventuality.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by nnnnico »

cgio wrote: post #492
BenFranklin100 wrote: post #484

Putting legal issues aside for a moment, I argue copyrighted material should be considered fair use simply by virtue of the enormous societal benefits LLMs/AI bring in making the vast expanse of human knowledge accessible. It’s a major step forward for humanity.

And what is the argument on making that knowledge accessible via LLMs vs directly? Why was it not accessible before?

its a radically different approach to knowledge search and exploration than the previous "direct" alternatives like search engines/indexes/nlp

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by samstave »

MegaButts wrote: post #417
samstave wrote: post #416

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OMG Thank you - hilarious. TimeCube is a legend... --- I am saying that AI can be used very beneficially to do a calculated dissection of the Truth of our Political structure as a Nation and how it truly impacts an Individual/Unit (person, family) -- and do so where we can get discernible metrics and utilize AIs understanding of the vast matrices of such inputs to provide meaningful outputs. Simple. EDIT @MegaButts;…

Why is AI better for this than a human? We already know AI is fundamentally biased by its training data in a way where it's actually impossible to know how/why it's biased. We also know AI makes things up all the time.

Ingestion of context.

Period.

If you dont understand the benefit of an AI augmenting the speed and depth of ingestion of Domain Context into a human mind.. then... go play with chalk.||I as a smart Human operate on lots of data... and AI and such has allowed me to consume such.

The most important medicines in the world are MEMORY retention...

It s youd like a conspiracy, eat too much aluminum to give you alzheimers asap so your generation forgets... (based though. hope you undestand what I am saying)

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by Xelynega »

nomdep wrote: post #482
darkwizard42 wrote: post #457

For those who have used the image generation models and even the text models to create things, there is no way you can look at the Disney-look-alike images and NOT see that as copyright infringement...

IANAL but for copyright infringement you have to distribute it, and AI image generation is like asking someone to paint a cartoon mouse in a wall of your living room

Is it not more like lossy image decompression?

Just because the jpeg you're distributing isn't the same bytes as the one I have copyright to doesn't mean you're not infringing my copyright. You're still taking my copyrighted image, running it through an algorithm, and then distributing the results.

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by scarface_74 »

kadoban wrote: post #512
scarface_74 wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget that the pearl clutching is on both sides. It was Tipper Gore that thought the world would come to an end because of rap music. Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary.

The current regime is in a fascist power grab and you're both-sidsing some random-ass second lady from a generation ago? Yeah wonder why we can't have effective government. > Let’s just not give the government any more power in our lives than necessary. Let's stop giving corporations all of the power and get a government that actually works for us.

It doesn’t matter. You should never trust the government with more power than absolutely necessary.

Because eventually, the other side will do something you don’t like.

This is the government people voted for.

The government has a “monopoly on violence”. No corporation can force you to do anything, take away your freedom (the US has the highest incarceration rate of any democracy) or your property (see civil forfeiture). I can much more easily avoid a corporation than the government.

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Post by Xelynega »

visarga wrote: post #166
insane_dreamer wrote: post #140

DeepSeek/whoever training on OpenAI outputs is ... bad. OpenAI training on every content creator's outputs is ... good.

You say that, but the reality is that all open models rely heavily on synthetic data generated with ChatGPT. They don't like it, but it happens anyway. You can't really protect a public model from having its outputs exfiltrated. This started in 2023 when LLaMA 1 was released, and has been going strong ever since. How strong? there are 330K datasets on HuggingFace, many of them generated from OpenAI.

And where did OpenAI get the data to generate those datasets?

Re: OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by Xelynega »

nnnnico wrote: post #514
cgio wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what is the argument on making that knowledge accessible via LLMs vs directly? Why was it not accessible before?

its a radically different approach to knowledge search and exploration than the previous "direct" alternatives like search engines/indexes/nlp

The search engine wasn't the problem though, it was paywalling the information so less people had access to it.

How do for-profit models served by for-profit companies make information that was previously "pay to learn" more accessible?

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