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OpenAI asks White House for relief from state AI rules

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

userbinator wrote: post #470

I think there will be a huge change in public perception of copyright in general, as increasingly more people realise that everything is a derivative work.

Most people find the traditional explanation for copyright, "everything emerges from the commons and eventually returns to the commons, so artists and creators should be entitled to ownership of intellectual property for a limited amount of time." The problem becomes when "limited" is stretched from 5 years from moment of publishing, say, to an artist's life + 150 years. Most people find the former reasonable and the latter ridiculous.

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Post by cgio »

BenFranklin100 wrote: post #484

Putting legal issues aside for a moment, I argue copyrighted material should be considered fair use simply by virtue of the enormous societal benefits LLMs/AI bring in making the vast expanse of human knowledge accessible. It’s a major step forward for humanity.

And what is the argument on making that knowledge accessible via LLMs vs directly? Why was it not accessible before?

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Post by Auracle »

jjulius wrote: post #346
pmdr wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do need help, they've yet to turn a profit.

If you start a company based on a new-ish idea and you can't figure out how to turn a profit, that's on you.

To be fair, it could be a matter of national security if AGI does ever happen. You'd very much want your country to be the first.

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Post by danaris »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #485
stargrazer wrote: post #459

So, why not pay the price of each copyrighted work ingested by the model?

They do have to pay that. But if it's not fair use, they'd need to negotiate a custom license on top of that, for every single thing they use.

Where do they have to pay that?

Where have they paid for each artwork from DeviantArt, paheal, etc that they trained Stable Diffusion on?

Where have they paid for each independent blog post that they trained ChatGPT on?

Yes, they've made a few deals with specific companies that host a large amount of content. That's a far cry from paying a fair price for each copyrighted work they ingest. Nearly everything on the Internet is copyrighted, because of the way modern copyright works, and they have paid for nearly none of it.

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Post by therealpygon »

dmix wrote: post #489
Animats wrote: post #476

The demand here for federal preemption of state law has nothing to do with copyright. Copyright is entirely federal level today. It has to do with preventing the use of AI to enable various forms of oppression.[1] Plus the usual child porno stuff. What AI companies are really worried about is a right of appeal from decisions made by a computer. The EU has that. " Individuals should not be subject to a decision that i…

> This moves the cost of LLM errors from the customer to the company offering the service. So does that mean AI companies are going to have insurance/litigators like doctors and models will be heavily lawyered to add more extensive guardrails. I'm assuming this means not just OpenAI but any service that uses LLM APIs or open models? For ex: If a finance business pays to use an AI bot that automates interacting with d…

Conversely, would you suggest that if an AI driver has a programming error and kills 20 people, that the person who reserved the car should be required to enter into a “User Agreement” that makes them take responsibility?

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Post by hirsin »

dmix wrote: post #489
Animats wrote: post #476

The demand here for federal preemption of state law has nothing to do with copyright. Copyright is entirely federal level today. It has to do with preventing the use of AI to enable various forms of oppression.[1] Plus the usual child porno stuff. What AI companies are really worried about is a right of appeal from decisions made by a computer. The EU has that. " Individuals should not be subject to a decision that i…

> This moves the cost of LLM errors from the customer to the company offering the service. So does that mean AI companies are going to have insurance/litigators like doctors and models will be heavily lawyered to add more extensive guardrails. I'm assuming this means not just OpenAI but any service that uses LLM APIs or open models? For ex: If a finance business pays to use an AI bot that automates interacting with d…

No, the exact opposite. This says that if the AI that a bank is paying for locks your bank account in error because your name sounds , it's the banks problem to fix, not yours to just live with (entirely. You still likely have a problem).

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Post by scarface_74 »

kadoban wrote: post #465
thisisnotauser wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, China won't have to, so the AI race would still be over.

So make the AI models public goods, developed by the government. Why should companies be getting rich on everyone else's work?

What could possibly go wrong giving the same government that is currently deleting information from websites including references to the “Enola Gay” control over models?

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Post by janalsncm »

It seems really weird that Congress isn’t making a law about this. Instead, we’re asking courts to contort old laws to apply to something which is pretty different from the things they were originally intended for. Or just asking the executive to make law by diktat. Maybe letting the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world will work out. Maybe not.

This issue is too complicated for Congress to handle? Too bad. Offloading it to the president or a judge doesn’t solve that problem.

The world is becoming more and more complicated and we need smart people who can figure out how things work, not a retirement community.

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Post by clipsy »

esafak wrote: post #467

> National security hinges on unfettered access to AI training data, OpenAI says. If it's a Republican administration, yell "national security". If it's Democratic, claims it's in the name of child safety.

"[N]ational security" and "child safety" both work quite well on both parties in reality; that's why they're so popular.
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