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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by wakawaka28 »

addicted wrote: post #578
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

Anyone you buy equipment from can withdraw support. The US would only withdraw support if you turn against them, same as any other country selling such equipment.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by energy123 »

01100011 wrote: post #716
meindnoch wrote: post #26

Time for us in Europe to man up.

I hate to be the guy, but I find myself having to point this out to all of my doom-minded American friends. Yes, Trump is a criminal idiot, but one positive, probably unintended effect is that the world becomes more, in the words of Taleb, anti-fragile. As an American I am thrilled that Europe is becoming more united, more pragmatic, and more self-reliant. Our relationship is not over, it is just changing, and Europe…

Multi-polarity isn't anti-fragility. Multi-polarity is bad with no redeeming qualities, you get more war and more nuclear proliferation.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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epistasis wrote: post #266
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by darkhorn »

philwelch wrote: post #804
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Did Ukraine buy any F-16’s? No. They’ve benefitted from the generosity of the United States since 2017, and thanks in large part to that generosity they succeeded in the defense of Kyiv in 2022. Now it’s 2025 and the war has been stalemated for a couple of years. Does the United States have an open-ended obligation to continue supporting, at its own expense, yet another forever war on the other side of the world? The…

Then why USA was defending those countries in first place? Only for goodwill?

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by chiefalchemist »

anabab wrote: post #853
chiefalchemist wrote: post #684

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being troll-y or intentionally obtuse but I have to ask: when has The Military Industrial Complex acted in my / our best interest? Sure there’s plenty about US policy and actions that have been normalized, but that doesn’t mean they should have been adopted. It doesn’t mean those things should persist without thought or challenge. Even going about that the wrong way is more productive Yes, The System is fragile (…

> when has The Military Industrial Complex acted in my / our best interest? [Not a US citizen/resident; never worked in MIC-related area] a). MIC is an industrial sector creating jobs, doing some R&D (which can trickle down into the civilian sector) and bringing hundreds of billions they do in exports into country; all of those seem benefitial for the overall economy. Of course those can be achieved in non-military-r…

The number one benefactor from the US invasion of Iraq was the MIC poster child Halliburton. Then VP Dick Cheney was a former executive at Halliburton.

Not to worry, our MIC is oiled with gold. Even after the WMDs panic was uncovered as a lie, no one was held accountable. Our MIC does media control well too.

These are not things to be proud of.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by spookie »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #891
addicted wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can any reasonable national leader justify building their military on American systems anymore? Especially now that the U.S. government is also talking about not living up to its NATO obligations. This is not gonna hurt the rest of the world. Defense is where the U.S. exports a lot. So cutting back on U.S. weaponry will only help other nations. The same is true of Tech. Currently the tech industry is global, but…

Anyone you buy equipment from can withdraw support. The US would only withdraw support if you turn against them, same as any other country selling such equipment.

Oh, Ukraine "turned against" the US. When did that happen exactly?

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by glitchc »

tim333 wrote: post #663
glitchc wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. US prosperity is rooted in its overwhelming military might. People dare not take it on for fear of reprisal. Those who occasionally try are quickly reminded through reciprocal action. US companies benefit greatly from secure operations and relatively laissez-faire domestic economic policies to grow into world behemoths. Don't kid yourself for one second into thinking that your safety and…

Meh. I think that's backwards. The US has a strong military because of its economic success. Same with China. Get rich first then buy guns.

Making money is just one step. Buying weapons is the second, and making your own is the next major leap. Many countries get to the second step, but a select few get to the third. Buying doesn't guarantee safety, after all the supplier can cut you off from critical ammo and support at any time (that's what's happening right?)

It's a conscious choice for a country to specialize in weapons manufacturing, and the US, well it's the best at it. Does it come for free? Definitely not, it comes at a huge cost. We can't have so many other things because we do this. But we do buy freedom with it. Peace-loving Americans have to do some real soul-searching: Would their success and comfort be possible without those weapons? Would they still have their freedoms? The first thing tyrants do is take away weapons from the public, lest their enemies rise up against them in armed insurrection. Which of the two parties is more likely to do so?

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Post by darkhorn »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #509

I wonder when European founders start switching from Azure/AWS/Google to domestic alternatives. I feel the risk of being thrown out all of the sudden increases every day.

Definatly going to happen for critical infrastructure, especially when there is a Russian asset at the head of the States.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

#899

Post by darkhorn »

01100011 wrote: post #716
meindnoch wrote: post #26

Time for us in Europe to man up.

I hate to be the guy, but I find myself having to point this out to all of my doom-minded American friends. Yes, Trump is a criminal idiot, but one positive, probably unintended effect is that the world becomes more, in the words of Taleb, anti-fragile. As an American I am thrilled that Europe is becoming more united, more pragmatic, and more self-reliant. Our relationship is not over, it is just changing, and Europe…

More self-reliant like North Korea?

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by tguvot »

philwelch wrote: post #804
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Did Ukraine buy any F-16’s? No. They’ve benefitted from the generosity of the United States since 2017, and thanks in large part to that generosity they succeeded in the defense of Kyiv in 2022. Now it’s 2025 and the war has been stalemated for a couple of years. Does the United States have an open-ended obligation to continue supporting, at its own expense, yet another forever war on the other side of the world? The…

F-16 arrived from Netherlands as USA was unwilling to supply them.

About defense of Kyiv, it has nothing to do with usa generosity and everything to do with creativity and a lot of luck. i'll suggest to read about how it was managed. there is a 50 pager released by uk miliary on this topic

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