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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by nkurz »

treesknees wrote: post #114
chias wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds. Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling. I have never tri…

To set it as your default search engine on iOS, you need to first install a separate Kagi Search app from the App Store, enable the extension, and then dig through some fairly obscure Safari settings so that the Kagi app can run with enough permissions to intercept/redirect search URLs for other search engines. So now when I search in Safari, the browser says “DuckDuckGo Search” but when I hit return Kagi jumps in. I…

> To set it as your default search engine on iOS, you need to first install a separate Kagi Search app from the App Store, enable the extension, and then dig through some fairly obscure Safari settings so that the Kagi app can run with enough permissions to intercept/redirect search URLs for other search engines.

And worse, even then it will then only work (at least for me) about 3 times of 4. The other times it will give you the "dummy" site you don't want, and you'll have to reload to get Kagi. Or sometimes it will reload for you after an indeterminate delay, sometimes even after you've already clicked through to a result.

I'm still (mostly) happy with Kagi, but I gave up using their extension for Safari on desktop. I'm having much better luck using a custom redirect in StopTheMadness. I'm not sure what they do differently, but setting Safari to use Ecosia and redirecting with StopTheMadness seems to avoid the problems I was having with Kagi's dedicated extension.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by freediver »

deng wrote: post #187

I'm probably not the only one who got an email from "Brandon Saltalamacchia" with We're giving you a full 30-day trial of Kagi Professional because we know you'll love it. Click "here" to activate your trial, no strings attached. Well, clicked on it, saw that OF COURSE it'll convert to a normal subscription after the trial, which I usually wouldn't have a big problem with, but this is clearly a string that is very mu…

Trial does not convert to subsription automatically, you got that wrong. It is just how Stripe trial code works. We may may mistakes from time to time but Kagi is not and never will be in the business of BS communication or deceiving customers. Fighting against those kind of practices and bringing sanity to the web is the entire reason I started the company.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by 9283409232 »

Pooge wrote: post #198
9283409232 wrote: post #197

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A wealth tax, an estate tax, a tax on stock trades are all better options that hit the wealthy and not the poor.

> A wealth tax, an estate tax Do you mean having a higher wealth and estate tax? They both exist where I live, although they tend to hit the poor much more than the rich. > tax on stock trades I agree on this one but I think it's not a good idea to penalize people that invest for the long term. Perhaps tax only trades that happened over less than 10 years or something.

I don't know where you live but the US doesn't have a wealth tax. You'll have to explain to me how a wealth tax hit the poor because the poor do not have wealth. A progressive wealth tax will tax someone based on net worth. By estate tax, I mean an inheritance tax which again, the poor typically don't leave massive inheritances so I'm not seeing how this hits the poor hard.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by superkuh »

8organicbits wrote: post #23
superkuh wrote: post #2

I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

Can you explain your use case? Looking at hundreds of results from a search query doesn't strike me as "finding things by accident", but I'm curious to know more.

My use case for a search engine is for the search engine to return all URLs that match the search pattern I enter. Then I decide which of these I want to visit, not the search engine, becuase the search engine doesn't and cannot know what I want (especially since I might not even know). It's job is to spider the web and create the database for me to search in. It's job is not to tell me what I want like a social networking site.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by freediver »

wkat4242 wrote: post #167
colingauvin wrote: post #35

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You can detach searching from any association with your paid account: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html

Yeah but that means trusting them. I don't need to trust anyone not to share information they don't even have. They should really allow anonymous payments like mullvad does. There you're just a random number and you can pay with crypto without any addresses.

Privacy Pass removes the need for 'trust'. It gives you cryptographical guarantees of anonymity.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Pooge »

9283409232 wrote: post #203
Pooge wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A wealth tax, an estate tax Do you mean having a higher wealth and estate tax? They both exist where I live, although they tend to hit the poor much more than the rich. > tax on stock trades I agree on this one but I think it's not a good idea to penalize people that invest for the long term. Perhaps tax only trades that happened over less than 10 years or something.

I don't know where you live but the US doesn't have a wealth tax. You'll have to explain to me how a wealth tax hit the poor because the poor do not have wealth. A progressive wealth tax will tax someone based on net worth. By estate tax, I mean an inheritance tax which again, the poor typically don't leave massive inheritances so I'm not seeing how this hits the poor hard.

> You'll have to explain to me how a wealth tax hit the poor because the poor do not have wealth

I'm sorry, perhaps "poor" wasn't the best word. But let me explain what I was thinking: I live in Switzerland where wealth tax is very much more annoying to the middle-class than the rich. This is because it starts at around CHF80'000--a lot of people qualify--and isn't taxed progressively above CHF2 million. While the rich will pay the highest tier, the middle-class is going to suffer from it much more because they don't invest their wealth. Basically, they are losing wealth, especially after taking inflation into account.

Don't get me wrong, Switzerland is a very good country tax-wise. But your argument against VAT also works very much for other types of taxation.

> By estate tax, I mean an inheritance tax which again, the poor typically don't leave massive inheritances so I'm not seeing how this hits the poor hard

Yes, good point. In Switzerland there are actually only a few cantons that still have the inheritance tax. But I still think that most families would qualify for the estate tax. A middle class family is going to be hurt much more being taxed CHF10k than a rich one taxed CHF100k.

I hope I made myself understandable.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by deng »

freediver wrote: post #202
deng wrote: post #187

I'm probably not the only one who got an email from "Brandon Saltalamacchia" with We're giving you a full 30-day trial of Kagi Professional because we know you'll love it. Click "here" to activate your trial, no strings attached. Well, clicked on it, saw that OF COURSE it'll convert to a normal subscription after the trial, which I usually wouldn't have a big problem with, but this is clearly a string that is very mu…

Trial does not convert to subsription automatically, you got that wrong. It is just how Stripe trial code works. We may may mistakes from time to time but Kagi is not and never will be in the business of BS communication or deceiving customers. Fighting against those kind of practices and bringing sanity to the web is the entire reason I started the company.

Thank you for chiming in, it is really appreciated. This is what I see when trying to redeem this:

https://imgur.com/a/NJvCagh

I apologize for getting this wrong, but I hope you can see that it is very hard to parse this any other way than "This is a Kagi Professional subscription, which is free during the first 30 days and will cost you $11.90/month afterwards".

(Unfortunately, I cannot edit my parent post anymore to correct this)

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by superkuh »

freediver wrote: post #205
wkat4242 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but that means trusting them. I don't need to trust anyone not to share information they don't even have. They should really allow anonymous payments like mullvad does. There you're just a random number and you can pay with crypto without any addresses.

Privacy Pass removes the need for 'trust'. It gives you cryptographical guarantees of anonymity.

Just as long as you now give your trust to the Kagi made browser extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/kagi-privacy-...) that is required and has access to your browser. Big yikes.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

niutech wrote: post #186
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #55

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For the Mac version, one of the “features” is that it’s built with the native UI toolkit and tries to blend into the desktop instead of setting itself apart with “branded UI” like browsers tend to do these days. Presumably the Linux version (which I’m assuming is built with GTK) would similarly adhere to GTK desktop (mostly GNOME) conventions.

GNOME Web does that and it's open source. What's the selling point of Orion on Linux?

GNOME Web is extremely barebones, moreso than even Safari (which itself is pretty basic). On macOS, Orion kind of acts like a “Safari Pro” with a whole bunch of power user features like vertical tree-style tabs and profiles among many other things. I’d expect that under GNOME, Orion will be a power user oriented “GNOME Web Pro”.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by 9283409232 »

Pooge wrote: post #206
9283409232 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where you live but the US doesn't have a wealth tax. You'll have to explain to me how a wealth tax hit the poor because the poor do not have wealth. A progressive wealth tax will tax someone based on net worth. By estate tax, I mean an inheritance tax which again, the poor typically don't leave massive inheritances so I'm not seeing how this hits the poor hard.

> You'll have to explain to me how a wealth tax hit the poor because the poor do not have wealth I'm sorry, perhaps "poor" wasn't the best word. But let me explain what I was thinking: I live in Switzerland where wealth tax is very much more annoying to the middle-class than the rich. This is because it starts at around CHF80'000--a lot of people qualify--and isn't taxed progressively above CHF2 million. While the ri…

You've made yourself very understandable, thank you for explaining further. Doing a Francs to Dollars conversion, 80,000 francs is around 90,000 USD. This is much lower than it should be in my opinion. For comparison, Biden's proposed wealth tax would only affect people with $1 billion in assets or people $100 million in income for three consecutive years[1]. This is not only less than 1% of the country, it's less than .01% of the country. I think the asset numbers are a bit high but as proposed, only the Musks and the Zuckerbergs would be affected.

So the only issue I see with the Switzerland tax situation is that the numbers are too low and should be higher. The incentive should be to get people investing in the economy but not to a point of hoarding.

[1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/whats-the-so-called-weal...

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