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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by atombender »

Crontab wrote: post #95
Mossy9 wrote: post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Doesn't Kagi Search just regurgitate Google's search results?

I'm a Kagi user and did a couple of test searches just now. Ignoring inserts like image results and "related searches" and so on, the results were completely different.

Note that if it this were true, Kagi brings features to the table that make it worth the price. For one, it allows you to prioritize/deprioritize sites, and it allows you to block sites from all search results.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by dizhn »

chias wrote: post #91
jmbwell wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers. Getting out from under all that makes Kagi a whole lot more seamless and useful. It’s ironic that it is its own tight collusion, with the difference that you can use Orion just as well with any other search providers as with Kagi. So yeah, it seems like a departure from search, until you consider that…

This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds. Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling. I have never tri…

They might want to push Privacy Pass with their own browser. It requires an extension on Chrome and Firefox.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by niutech »

atombender wrote: post #181
Crontab wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Kagi Search just regurgitate Google's search results?

I'm a Kagi user and did a couple of test searches just now. Ignoring inserts like image results and "related searches" and so on, the results were completely different. Note that if it this were true, Kagi brings features to the table that make it worth the price. For one, it allows you to prioritize/deprioritize sites, and it allows you to block sites from all search results.

This is what Brave Search does too with Goggles.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by niutech »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #55
dooglius wrote: post #12

What exactly is the benefit over Waterfox or Ungoogled Chromium here? The FAQ https://kagi.com/orion/faq.html#firefox seems to be things that are specific to Mac or have privacy features already offered by open-source alternatives.

For the Mac version, one of the “features” is that it’s built with the native UI toolkit and tries to blend into the desktop instead of setting itself apart with “branded UI” like browsers tend to do these days. Presumably the Linux version (which I’m assuming is built with GTK) would similarly adhere to GTK desktop (mostly GNOME) conventions.

GNOME Web does that and it's open source. What's the selling point of Orion on Linux?

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by deng »

I'm probably not the only one who got an email from "Brandon Saltalamacchia" with

  We're giving you a full 30-day trial of Kagi Professional because we know you'll      
  love it. Click "here" to activate your trial, no strings attached.
Well, clicked on it, saw that OF COURSE it'll convert to a normal subscription after the trial, which I usually wouldn't have a big problem with, but this is clearly a string that is very much attached. This kind of BS communication does not leave a good impression on me.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by 9283409232 »

Pooge wrote: post #177
9283409232 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VAT is a reductive tax that taxes the poor instead of the rich. Coincidentally, Trump supports adding VAT to the US.

Please call me out if I'm just being delusional but I think VAT is a great way to tax rich people. They already have a lot of ways to avoid taxes, but at least with VAT they pay the same as everybody else. They are going to buy expensive food or drinks at restaurants and 8% (in my country) of that is going to be taxed. Someone more modest is going to eat at a less expensive place and is going to pay 8% on something l…

For people in poverty, 8% is the difference between getting that extra carton of eggs or not getting it. For rich people, it doesn't matter. It's not that VAT doesn't tax rich people it's that it taxes poor people a lot harder.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by Pooge »

9283409232 wrote: post #188
Pooge wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please call me out if I'm just being delusional but I think VAT is a great way to tax rich people. They already have a lot of ways to avoid taxes, but at least with VAT they pay the same as everybody else. They are going to buy expensive food or drinks at restaurants and 8% (in my country) of that is going to be taxed. Someone more modest is going to eat at a less expensive place and is going to pay 8% on something l…

For people in poverty, 8% is the difference between getting that extra carton of eggs or not getting it. For rich people, it doesn't matter. It's not that VAT doesn't tax rich people it's that it taxes poor people a lot harder.

I completely get your point. What would you suggest, then?

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by erics118 »

BoredPositron wrote: post #29
Mossy9 wrote: post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

They started with Orion.

Their original product was an AI product, that later transformed into the search engine. Then, Orion was developed

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/company/history.html

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