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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by rocqua »

davidmurdoch wrote: post #446
dashundchen wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump/Musk/Republicans have taken the side of a fascist dictator Putin. Every recent move wrt Ukraine has benefitted Russia. Even if it means betraying democratic allies and decades long alliances. It is so shameful and disgusting.

Honestly curious what you, and proponents for continuing to arm Ukraine, think should be done about Russia's encroachment into Western Europe?

What encroachment do you mean? There isn't much encroachment other than sabotage. Perhaps some financing of undermining political parties. There was significant encroachment of eastern Europe, but that has slowed down due to attention going towards the Ukraine war.

The main goal in Ukraine should be to make sure that Russia has as little benefit from their invasion as possible. Luckily this is effectively wholly compatible with Ukrainian goals.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by jajko »

pydry wrote: post #297
epistasis wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

It's not being dismantled at all. It's engaged in a sudden retrenchment which has been brought on by years of slow decline. They even say this - Rubio said that we do not live in a unipolar world any more - a comment which attracted weirdly little notice. Biden's approach assumed a unipolar world which did not exist. That's why the Ukraine war, from the American imperialist perspective, backfired. The achilles heel o…

I don't think you understand some terms you are using, ie unipolar

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by hkyu12 »

So much warmongering going on here. The site where majority used to call to end US as world police, stop interfering and instigating overthrowing government now wants the opposite. This site is surely astroturfed or suddenly people have turned violent.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by itishappy »

moduspol wrote: post #390
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

Why just this war? What's Israel's cogent plan?

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by austin-cheney »

ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

> I am really amazed there are still almost half of the people able to twist reality to defend…

Most people everywhere generally believe what their social reference group tells them to believe. Human nature, I guess.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by BrawnyBadger53 »

moduspol wrote: post #390
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

Because conflict ended for good when crimea was annexed...

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by Footkerchief »

epistasis wrote: post #266
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

Horseshoe theory addresses this.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by MrDresden »

nxm wrote: post #365
ascorbic wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A week ago Trump killed the western alliance when he made it clear that allies could not rely on the US. This week he has killed the US weapons export business. Not a single country will trust them now. It would be quite an interesting thing to watch if we didn't have to live here.

*They can’t rely on USA and the American tax payer for the defense of their country. Finally some defense spending will have to take place

Spending among NATO member nations had already started growing considerably since Trump's first term. And a lot of that spending went towards buying US made weapons, though not exclusively.

With this move, any nation will think twice about buying US made weapons. Trump effectively kneecapped the US arms industry by this move.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by pegasus »

hobofan wrote: post #342
epistasis wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

> when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world You are saying this as a hypothetical that never happened, right?

Probably some of the leftist dictators of South America would qualify. Chavez, Morales et. al.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by af78 »

moduspol wrote: post #390
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

Actually we just want the war in Ukraine to end. Hope that helps. There's a lot of bloviating from the chattering class about cozying up to Russia, but I've yet to hear a cogent alternative. And no, I don't think "endlessly funding Ukraine to a forever stalemate" qualifies.

The Ukrainians want this war to end, too. The difference is that they want to survive as a nation, so how the war ends matters.

Plus if Russia wins, its appetite will only grow, and another war is just a matter of time.

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