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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by palata »

upcoming-sesame wrote: post #64
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Can you explain why? From privacy and free speech perspectives aren’t US services now better? Kagi now probably has the best search privacy features in the world after recent upgrades with Privacy Pass and even a ToR endpoint.

Because the recent trade war has started a trend of "buy European' across the continent buy-european-made.eu

Not that I disagree, but I think it's more than that: the US have started a trend of "boycott the US" across those who used to consider them as allies after... you know the US government not only embraced fascism but also started threatening to invade said ex allies and destabilising Europe.

Pretty sure that there is a similar trend in Canada or Mexico, for instance.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by treesknees »

Volundr wrote: post #121
treesknees wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To set it as your default search engine on iOS, you need to first install a separate Kagi Search app from the App Store, enable the extension, and then dig through some fairly obscure Safari settings so that the Kagi app can run with enough permissions to intercept/redirect search URLs for other search engines. So now when I search in Safari, the browser says “DuckDuckGo Search” but when I hit return Kagi jumps in. I…

This seems more like an indictment of iOS than collusion between search and browser vendors. I'm using Kagi as my default search on Android, Linux, Mac, and Windows, both Chrome and Firefox. The kind of nonsense your describing us why iOS doesn't show up in my list of devices.

My point was more that you claimed to not understand and I was just providing an example where it does take longer than “15 seconds” to switch to Kagi.

iOS/iPhone has the majority mobile market share in many countries including the United States. If you’re unaware, Google is currently being sued by the US government for establishing a monopoly over search engine placement including payments to Apple and Mozilla to keep Google as the default search engine. So, with that context, can you honestly say there’s no collusion between search providers and browser vendors?

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by bodash »

james_pm wrote: post #17

Orion for macOS is still pretty buggy and, in my experience, a bit too frustrating to use as my default browser. I want to use it and pay the $5/month even though I don't use it all the time. It's close to being good, but not quite there yet.

Orion on YouTube is unusable at the moment. Click play, ad plays 1 second, disappears but then nothing else plays. Click again, another ad briefly appears and disappears. Have to resort back to Firefox with uBlock Origin just to watch YouTube

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by palata »

9283409232 wrote: post #115
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Can you explain why? From privacy and free speech perspectives aren’t US services now better? Kagi now probably has the best search privacy features in the world after recent upgrades with Privacy Pass and even a ToR endpoint.

> Can you explain why? From privacy and free speech perspectives aren’t US services now better? In regards to privacy, the country is increasingly trying to pass age verification bills as a way to backdoor more surveillance into law while a billionaire is running around slurping up everyone's private data. In regards to free speech, the President sues journalist he doesn't agree with, passed an executive order to tar…

I wonder if companies will try to move away from services like Google Suite or Microsoft Teams or Slack. Because it essentially means that the US can read all the internal communications. That's a big security problem, especially now that the US have become... unstable.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by saagarjha »

zamadatix wrote: post #107
amelius wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relax, they didn't write the entire browser. It's webkit based.

Having been wondering what their cross platform plans for Orion were the other day and seeing this in the FAQ I don't think it's fair to frame it as small potatoes work just because it could have been even harder. It's still real work and a significant effort. https://help.kagi.com/orion/faq/faq.html#other_os_support : "Are there plans for a Windows/Linux/Android version of Orion? We currently do not have the resourc…

Linux is the platform which WebKit has the best support for, following macOS.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by palata »

sunshine-o wrote: post #100
CodeCompost wrote: post #42

Kagi is cool and all but... I'm in Europe. I'm busy disengaging from US based services. Any good EU alternatives?

I am seeing this a lot recently, people trying to switch to EU based alternatives. I am not sure exactly what are your motivations but if it is privacy and trying to fight some sort of tyranny, I am afraid this might be a bit naive and maybe counterproductive. The EU is as much influenced by the interests of Big tech than the US. Maybe even more in a way. The regulations and fines you hear about are kayfabe. It is lo…

Haha sure, nice try.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by palata »

I have been a happy user of Kagi search for a couple years, but I really hope they don't start going everywhere.

They have Kagi translate, they also mentioned building an email service. I like Kagi search because it works well. I actively avoid their other products because I want to encourage them to stay focused and make a good product.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by realo »

saagarjha wrote: post #138
realo wrote: post #80

If anyone from the Kagi team is reading this: Why does Orion on iOS not support Bluetooth Web BLE ?? That would really set it apart from Safari...

Don't work on Kagi, but WebKit on iOS doesn't support it.

The library functions are there... Some browsers in the app store support it via native library functions (e.g. Webble browser).
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