Live data from Hacker News

Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

omgubuntu.co.uk

101–110 of 234 posts

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#101
post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Relax, they didn't write the entire browser. It's webkit based.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#102
post #95
post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Doesn't Kagi Search just regurgitate Google's search results?

Never seen that happen and I've done hundreds of comparative searches by now.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#103
post #91
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to use Kagi with other browsers lays bare the depth of collusion between browser makers and search providers. Getting out from under all that makes Kagi a whole lot more seamless and useful. It’s ironic that it is its own tight collusion, with the difference that you can use Orion just as well with any other search providers as with Kagi. So yeah, it seems like a departure from search, until you consider that…

This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds. Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling. I have never tri…

I use Kagi at work in Firefox and Edge with no issues. I use it at home with Firefox and Chrome (Windows 10) and Iceraven on Android. No issues.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#104
post #95
post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Doesn't Kagi Search just regurgitate Google's search results?

Kagi mixes many different sources, including some from their own indexes. They lean heavy into the "try to answer using an integration with a more focused oracle" rather than the "throw as many sites at the user as possible" approach.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#105

Orion for macOS is still pretty buggy and, in my experience, a bit too frustrating to use as my default browser. I want to use it and pay the $5/month even though I don't use it all the time. It's close to being good, but not quite there yet.

Yeah, I basically give orion a try every few months, I think the idea is fantastic. But it just hasn't ever hit the level of bug-free reliability that I would need, especially with extension compatibility. (Can't say this is surprising at all - making a web browser would be a ton of work even if the web wasn't a moving target) It does seem like their long tail of issues is going down - each time I check in, it is cle…

I think the biggest problem ends up being what Apple makes available to it. It does so well at feeling just like Safari, but Apple appears to not make Apple Pay, Safari keychain, and automatic sms code entry (easily) accessible to third party apps. That's what keeps making me switch back to Safari

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#106
post #49

I use Orion a bit on Mac. The blocker for me is that it doesn't support Ublock Origin. They claim that their built in ad blocking does 90% of what you need, but I really just want to be able to remove page elements at will.

This is kind of surprising. For me, uBlock Origin works perfectly on Orion (installed from the Firefox store), and the element zapper / eyedropper in uBlock Origin works as well. I haven't seen any difference between uBlock Origin on Firefox vs Orion.

Thanks, will investigate again.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#107
post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Relax, they didn't write the entire browser. It's webkit based.

Having been wondering what their cross platform plans for Orion were the other day and seeing this in the FAQ I don't think it's fair to frame it as small potatoes work just because it could have been even harder. It's still real work and a significant effort. https://help.kagi.com/orion/faq/faq.html#other_os_support:

"Are there plans for a Windows/Linux/Android version of Orion?

We currently do not have the resources to hire a new team to do any of these platforms yet.

Since Orion is funded by its users only, it is entirely up to the number of subscribers and Orion+ sales we have that will enable funding a new team to make Orion for any new platform. And building a browser is not cheap, especially one on top of WebKit."

Interesting that they concluded Linux was the next most worthwhile one to target but I suppose is probably more popular with users attracted to Kagi/Orion.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#108
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fwiw, it's a webkit-based browser. Another alternative browser engine in a usable browser is a plus for the Ecosystem. On the other hand, it promises to be a simple yet usable (builtin adblock + privacy) browser. Ime, brave is probably the closest however it has a lot of nagging around their crypto and ads.

Kagi has crypto now too? I thought that was just brave.

No, it doesn't. Sorry, my comment was not worded clearly there. The nagging around crypto and ads on the homepage are a (anti-)feature of brave (that don't exist in Orion).

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#109
post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

Relax, they didn't write the entire browser. It's webkit based.

That seems like saying people who climb Everest are not starting in the Mariana Trench. The fact you could have made it ten times harder doesn't necessarily stop it being foolhardy.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

#110
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is something I don't understand. Kagi has been my only search engine since they dropped the price to $10/mo. I've only ever used Kagi with Firefox, and I use it on Linux, Windows, and Mac. I just add it to my search engines and set it as default, which takes about 15 seconds. Everything seems to just work seamlessly. Searching in private windows works without any configuration or token juggling. I have never tri…

I use Kagi at work in Firefox and Edge with no issues. I use it at home with Firefox and Chrome (Windows 10) and Iceraven on Android. No issues.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN