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Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by alabastervlog »

yesfitz wrote: post #6
superkuh wrote: post #2

I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

I’m a happy Kagi customer, but that’s an interesting use case for a search engine that I hadn’t previously considered. Is there a “golden era” of search engines returning results for discovery? I use forums, wikis, and content aggregators (e.g. Reddit) to discover related topics. If a search engine returns too many results, I refine my search terms.

In my mind, the three eras of search engines are:

1) Before Google.

2) Google before ‘08.

3) Google after ‘08.

1 and 2 were both pretty good for just exploring.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by galleywest200 »

vvpan wrote: post #20
poetril wrote: post #8

Kagi has been one of the biggest value adds to my online life in a long time. Paying for the Kagi ultimate plans gets me access to the latest LLM models, and an incredible customizable search engine with a large focus on privacy. The Orion browser has been my favorite to use on iOS, I’m not sure if I’d use the desktop version because of its web kit base. But I’m glad to see it’s moving forward.

I keep being confused by this. People mention that Kagi has all these features but I never see them, do I have to up my subscription plan?

It seems that a lot of them are sort of "off" by default to keep search focused on search. If you want to get an LLM summary of a search, for example, end the search with a question mark. Example: "what is gravity?" instead of "what is gravity".

The summarizer lives at a different page, here: https://kagi.com/summarizer/

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by 8organicbits »

superkuh wrote: post #2

I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

Can you explain your use case? Looking at hundreds of results from a search query doesn't strike me as "finding things by accident", but I'm curious to know more.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by vvpan »

galleywest200 wrote: post #22
vvpan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep being confused by this. People mention that Kagi has all these features but I never see them, do I have to up my subscription plan?

It seems that a lot of them are sort of "off" by default to keep search focused on search. If you want to get an LLM summary of a search, for example, end the search with a question mark. Example: "what is gravity?" instead of "what is gravity". The summarizer lives at a different page, here: https://kagi.com/summarizer/

Oh I see. I knew "lenses" existed but as you say it's a multi-step process to use them and not from the browser search bar.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by wkat4242 »

c0balt wrote: post #16
dooglius wrote: post #12

What exactly is the benefit over Waterfox or Ungoogled Chromium here? The FAQ https://kagi.com/orion/faq.html#firefox seems to be things that are specific to Mac or have privacy features already offered by open-source alternatives.

Fwiw, it's a webkit-based browser. Another alternative browser engine in a usable browser is a plus for the Ecosystem. On the other hand, it promises to be a simple yet usable (builtin adblock + privacy) browser. Ime, brave is probably the closest however it has a lot of nagging around their crypto and ads.

Kagi has crypto now too? I thought that was just brave.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by wkat4242 »

alabastervlog wrote: post #21
yesfitz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a happy Kagi customer, but that’s an interesting use case for a search engine that I hadn’t previously considered. Is there a “golden era” of search engines returning results for discovery? I use forums, wikis, and content aggregators (e.g. Reddit) to discover related topics. If a search engine returns too many results, I refine my search terms.

In my mind, the three eras of search engines are: 1) Before Google. 2) Google before ‘08. 3) Google after ‘08. 1 and 2 were both pretty good for just exploring.

I think Google after around 2022 is also another phase, where it became completely unusable.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by wkat4242 »

superkuh wrote: post #2

I tried out paid kagi for a 3 months (even if you pay in bitcoin they still require your address). One thing you might want to know before going in is that Kagi does not return many search results. It never returns more than two short pages of results (~100). It is impossible to use Kagi like you'd use a search engine from 1995-2015 to 'surf' the web and find things by accident. That said, google only ever returns I…

They probably need your address for tax purposes. Especially the EU is really strict on charging us VAT for foreign purchases.

It does completely kill the anonymity though, I agree. It's strange that in this case they're worse than something like duck duck go. Because they don't require payment they simply have less data on you (especially confirmed data). I'm sure kagi protects it but the data you don't even have is even better protected.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by BoredPositron »

Mossy9 wrote: post #7

I've been loving Kagi search and am really looking forward to Orion being available outside Apple land. You can join the email list here: https://kagi.com/changelog#6479 I'm a bit worried that Kagi might be over-extending here. Instead of focusing and capitalizing on search, they're expanding to the difficult business of browsers. I'm always hesitant when companies try to do everything everywhere all at once, since t…

They started with Orion.

Re: Kagi Is Bringing Orion Web Browser to Linux

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Post by nicce »

james_pm wrote: post #17

Orion for macOS is still pretty buggy and, in my experience, a bit too frustrating to use as my default browser. I want to use it and pay the $5/month even though I don't use it all the time. It's close to being good, but not quite there yet.

Some bugs are pretty bad. There was one that drained my battery in 30mins. But I know it is difficult for a small team.
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