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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by torlok »

nc wrote: post #73
inductive_magic wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Startup CEO from Europe here. How am I supposed to turn a blind eye to the risk that the dependency from the US has become lately?

How is US dependency a risk?

Tariffs, threatening the sovereignty of its neighbours, etc.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by t_mann »

I get why people might feel this impulse, but they should realize that it follows the same logic as tariffs. You do not gain by closing yourself off from the world. Having the choice among the best products in the world is prosperity. Whether you restrain yourself by choice or by force, it's the same zero-sum mindset. Free trade, with some exceptions for fledgling industries, is one of the rare cases that makes everyone better off. Unfortunately, even the simplest explanation [0] is a bit unintuitive, which may explain why trade restrictions are one of the few things popular among parts of the left and the right.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by ssssvd »

simion314 wrote: post #58
closewith wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that's the best example, as Signal places a strong emphasis on personal freedoms which is _not_ particularly representative of European values at this time.

Yeah, you can't be a nazi in Europe, promoting political assasination and genocide has consequences there,

Worth noting that Europe is the only place where someone could have actually been a Nazi, historically speaking. Plenty of other countries managed to avoid both Nazism and sweeping free speech bans.

And let’s not forget — the actual consequences for genocide were delivered by the Americans, Brits, and Russians, not by internal bans or laws.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by xxs »

ysofunny wrote: post #81

don't european values include Monarchy?

I guess that's joke - indeed, in the EU - Northern counties + flat lands + Spain[x] are monarchies where the monarchs have all but representation powers. You can add Monaco (which is not an independent State), if you really wish.

Then there is France and the revolution in 1789 which (outside the US) is considered a big thing.

[x]: Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands; Norway's also a monarchy but not an EU member state.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by bambax »

finnjohnsen2 wrote: post #82

I am working on this, and here are my personal observations thus far; # Low hanging fruit: - Food and clothes, like Coca Cola, Snickers, Nike, Levis, The North Face etc - Mondelez. This is hard because they own so much. But obvious things like Oreo and Corn Flakes are easy. - Social Media I rarely use. For me this was Snapchat, Instagram, WhatsApp, X, Bluesky and Messenger. # Harder to ditch - Facebook. Family :( - M…

I think an important distinction is whether you send money to those providers or not. Using free services with a strong adblocker is probably a net loss for them. And regarding streaming... the high seas are very welcoming ;-)

PS: Did you mean Mondelez? The only thing I ever bought on their list of brands[0] is 'Lu', but I will make sure I don't anymore ;-)

[0] https://www.mondelezinternational.com/our-brands/

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by [deleted] »

gizzlon wrote: post #117
finnjohnsen2 wrote: post #82

I am working on this, and here are my personal observations thus far; # Low hanging fruit: - Food and clothes, like Coca Cola, Snickers, Nike, Levis, The North Face etc - Mondelez. This is hard because they own so much. But obvious things like Oreo and Corn Flakes are easy. - Social Media I rarely use. For me this was Snapchat, Instagram, WhatsApp, X, Bluesky and Messenger. # Harder to ditch - Facebook. Family :( - M…

I would argue to that not all US companies are the same. Both ethically and based on risk. Tesla is directly supporting Elon, and IMO much worse than, say, Netflix. Also probably more risky, as Elon is probably more pilled that the CEO of Netflix and Google

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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by meijer »

jisnsm wrote: post #102

What are “European values”? I was born in Europe, been here all my life, and I don’t think such thing exists - values that are shared among all Europeans AND that set us apart from other regions. Europeans are much, much more culturally segregated than people from outside Europe seem to think.

You don't see it, like the fish who does not see the water.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by tpm »

lynx97 wrote: post #20
zoul wrote: post #8

Not every european company embodies european values. As an example, Signal is listed as a US company people might want a european replacement for – and yet Signal represents european values much better than many of the alternatives.

What are European values, actually? I don't think there is a lot that all member state citizens actually share, except for a lot of wishful thinking.

All member states share the European Convention on Human Rights.
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