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Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#101

Post by pastage »

ssssvd wrote: post #38

Wouldn't you implicitly support Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Intel, Dell/HP, Snowflake/Databricks, Datadog, etc. with almost every sale though? For many European businesses, infrastructure and platform costs likely exceed their own margins. In that sense, a lot of European businesses are really just "value-added resellers" of US hardware and platforms.

Agreed Europe has never had to care about that because we have always supported the US. Now there is always Loongson/Zhaoxin to base your infra on. Considering the way the US is heading you might see people considering a "neutral party" in the war.

AWS is nice and all not unique though.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by jisnsm »

What are “European values”? I was born in Europe, been here all my life, and I don’t think such thing exists - values that are shared among all Europeans AND that set us apart from other regions.

Europeans are much, much more culturally segregated than people from outside Europe seem to think.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#103

Post by ben_w »

Goto80 wrote: post #37
a12k wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. I can’t speak for Russia because I have no data, but most Americans don’t carry the opinion of this government.

If that is the case, how did this government get a majority?

A mixture of things. Dishonesty — which is broader than just "lying" — for one. One of Trump's talking points during the election was "never started a war", and now: https://theconversation.com/trumps-threats-on-greenland-gaza...

But also, people can change their minds between elections: https://eu.providencejournal.com/story/news/politics/2025/03...

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#105

Post by amarcheschi »

johngladtj wrote: post #44
amarcheschi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While every country has its own culture and values, the European union is founded, at least theoretically, on some shared values such as promoting peace, democracy (...) Well, one might say that we sell weapons to dictatorships (and they would be correct), but at least on paper there are some shared values we more or less share throughout European union. Full list here: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-cou…

Promoting peace and democracy? By arresting politicians opposed to them and funding and supporting wars?

I guess you're referring to the Romanian candidate which was found to have millions of euros and tickets to Russia.

Yes, protecting democracy and peace also includes punishing those who put at risk the existence of peace and democracy.

For the war part, it kinda tickles your butt having a war on your neighbor's garden, I see nothing wrong with supporting such a war (on Ukraine side's, of course)

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by n4r9 »

nc wrote: post #73
inductive_magic wrote: post #61

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Startup CEO from Europe here. How am I supposed to turn a blind eye to the risk that the dependency from the US has become lately?

How is US dependency a risk?

From a UK perspective (and I'm not a CEO or anything) it looks pretty volatile over there. Tariffs, radical changes to government funding, widespread corporate overhauls... . Predictability is surely desirable when considering dependencies.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

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Post by rsynnott »

pastage wrote: post #72
johngladtj wrote: post #44

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Promoting peace and democracy? By arresting politicians opposed to them and funding and supporting wars?

Maybe be specific, are there any specific wars you find undemocratic. Afganistan and Iraq was heavily debated, the attack on Ukraine is seen as an attack on Europe but is also heavily debated.

> Afganistan and Iraq was heavily debated

Also, not European wars. In particular, only two European countries participated in Iraq.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#108

Post by arkadiytehgraet »

josefrichter wrote: post #46

Could we avoid politics on the tech scene? I think we're all better than that, and we know the tech scene thrives through collaboration, not isolationism.

Tech is partially, some would say even mostly, responsible for the current political atmosphere and climate, so no, neither we are any better than this, nor should it be avoided.

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#109

Post by atwrk »

Goto80 wrote: post #37
a12k wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. I can’t speak for Russia because I have no data, but most Americans don’t carry the opinion of this government.

If that is the case, how did this government get a majority?

Voter suppression: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

Re: Buy European Made. Support European Values

#110

Post by greedylizard »

Goto80 wrote: post #37
a12k wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many Americans exist that do not carry the opinion of their government, as do many Russians. I can’t speak for Russia because I have no data, but most Americans don’t carry the opinion of this government.

If that is the case, how did this government get a majority?

The electoral college rigs the game. If one person equaled one vote, American government could look significantly different right now.
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