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Framework's first desktop is a strange–but unique–mini ITX gaming PC

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Post by fragmede »

0x457 wrote: post #130
fragmede wrote: post #103

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until the user logs in, the cart functionality is implanted client side with cookies, and incurs no db hit. guess it's true what they say about hardware vs software. you gotta pick one to be good at, and the other is going to suffer for it, to varying degrees. (inb4 someone mentions Apple. Apple is a hardware company. Their software's alright but it's full of bugs and they're simply not as good as it as they are with…

I assume you're going to skip marketing material and go straight to "build my own" or whatever they call it. I assume they didn't expect such influx in site visitors. E-commerce is hard. I worked at a company where we could use 1% of infra at its peak every day of the year except 15-20 days. We knew exactly when floodgates will open, and we still would suffer extra high latency or even downtime.

you're right but loading the front page at http://frame.work shouldn't incur the "build your own" hit.

e-commerce is hard. that's why we get paid so well. hiring the smartest teenager that your nephew knows to setup some bullshit for $15/hr vs hiring a senior SRE at $100+/hr, when it directly leads to lost sales is a choice.

the senior part also comes after having failed to scale in production, and learning the lessons there, leading to a site that stays up on the next black Friday/cyber Monday, and stands up to various ddos attacks. (this was before Cloudflare, mind you)

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Post by ac29 »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #116
jsheard wrote: post #63

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> I wonder if modular memory will continue to evolve and be competitive bandwidth wise with soldered. That's the promise of CAMM2, which is supposed to enable socketed LPDDR with almost the same performance as soldered-down LPDDR. It's still pretty bleeding-edge though so it's hard to blame Framework for sticking with soldered memory for now.

It's on package memory that AMD sells bundled to OEMs.

Strix Halo doesn't have on package memory, are you thinking of Intel's Lunar Lake?

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Post by biomcgary »

Currently, I'm using generative AI of various kinds on my M1 Air (llm, image gen, TTS, STT), but am frustrated by the limitations - primarily memory and secondarily availability of an MLX adaptation.

Just an AI hobbyist, so I don't have time or inclination to tweak everything. Given the non-NVIDIA GPU, how painful will it be to play around with new AI models on this system?

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Post by 6SixTy »

jsheard wrote: post #45
shaw00000 wrote: post #31

I was really hoping for an ARM laptop. Hopefully they'll develop one soon.

Isn't the Snapdragon X Elite pretty much the only part that would fit the bill? Framework might not even be able to get those, Qualcomm generally won't even give you the time of day unless you commit to buying a bazillion units.

Yes but Framework doesn't have to and probably doesn't want to. Snapdragon laptops often ship with very few user serviceable parts including RAM which would be tough for the Framework mold IMO even if they got something working with LPCAMM (though that's likely an inevitability). But Qualcomm making a Framework compatible board in part as development kits would likely be beneficial for both.

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Post by kibwen »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #131
pcdoodle wrote: post #71

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1920x1200 / 16:10. It's perfect for a 12" IMO.

No, it is not. It would be perfect for a 6'' phone, maybe. The goal is to have at least double the pixel density, and my 2016 tablet can reach this ( ~2700x1800 at 12'' ). Even Surfaces have been using 1440p at 12'' since 2016, and 2880 x 1920 since 2018! Why would Android & Apple tablets at much smaller screen size have higher DPIs, if 1080p was perfect? Do you expect to put Android tablets closer to your face than…

> Since when has DPI started _decreasing_ again?

The human hardware isn't getting any better, so we must accept that there exists some upper bound beyond which improving resolution isn't a selling point for most people, especially given the necessary tradeoffs in battery life, processing power, memory usage, and input latency it entails. Now consider that this ceiling may have been hit 20 years ago, and that the continued dominance of 1920x1080 may not be because manufacturers are lazy, but because most people are happy enough with it.

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Post by Spivak »

fragmede wrote: post #75
rdedev wrote: post #55

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https://youtu.be/-lErGZZgUbY The ceo kind of explains why in this video. In essence it seems to be a limitation of the chip from AMD

So don't make it then? If a particular vendor's product isn't in line with the company's mission, the CEO is the one to make the call to proceed with manufacturing. edit: it's not for me and I can totally just not buy one, but if one identified with their original mission and sees this as betrayal of that, it'd be hard to justify getting a framework laptop when it's their turn to upgrade.

They saw an underserved niche and went for it. Based on the wait time for their site seems to be working for them.

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Post by skyyler »

Agingcoder wrote: post #129
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #109

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I could see myself going for something like this for gaming actually. My gaming needs are pretty tame to the point that my current 3080Ti has been and remains overkill (usually 2+ year old titles @ 2560x1440), and as time has gone on I’ve come to value silence (which the FW Desktop seems good at, overcooling a laptop APU with a single fan desktop cooler) over raw power. In addition, the discrete GPU story continues t…

I agree with the point about noise. I’ve been looking for a powerful, compact and silent gaming pc for a while ( with silent then compact being more important than powerful ). I don’t need a laptop - a Mac mini-like or slightly bigger box is good enough . When I look around, gaming pcs are mostly about big and visible, sometimes reasonably silent, almost never compact, inconspicuous and silent. To me there is a marke…

>To me there is a market for this kind of product, and it hasn’t been addressed properly yet.

Because the market you describe has very heavy expectations, and very exacting taste.

(And critically, the capability of building one themselves.)

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Post by Tade0 »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #131
pcdoodle wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1920x1200 / 16:10. It's perfect for a 12" IMO.

No, it is not. It would be perfect for a 6'' phone, maybe. The goal is to have at least double the pixel density, and my 2016 tablet can reach this ( ~2700x1800 at 12'' ). Even Surfaces have been using 1440p at 12'' since 2016, and 2880 x 1920 since 2018! Why would Android & Apple tablets at much smaller screen size have higher DPIs, if 1080p was perfect? Do you expect to put Android tablets closer to your face than…

> Since when has DPI started _decreasing_ again?

Since the pandemic. I have a still functioning Galaxy S8 in my drawer, which shames modern phones with its 570ppi density.

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