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Post by maxlin »

palata wrote: post #139
maxlin wrote: post #102

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Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…

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Tesla proved that an EV can be more than a compromise. Everyone else was behind them after their success. Just look at recent history. Leveraging capitalism to actually create a market that is not just ideological but makes sense for people to choose AS A GOOD CAR AGAINST ICE CARS absolutely was the lynchpin.

Even 10+ year old Teslas are a good investment btw, especially if you're going for the 100% environmental angle. I recommend researching the endurance of their batteries.

Calling AfD neo-nazis while their beliefs are something Germans ardently against their bad history a short time ago would be country-wide is not very informed.

Any argument of "Democracy being interfered with" helplessly just sounds like loser talk. Like, if someone sells and idea and people vote for it, only an antidemocratic mindset would be so against that. Sorry. "Not again" all you want. Anyone could push that. Recommend looking at forces against freedom of speech and their relation to bad history instead :)

Re: DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days

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Post by maxlin »

yard2010 wrote: post #173
maxlin wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…

He is not fixing anything, he is just a human, the kind with flaws, that thinks he isn't.

The argument here is that Elon thinks he is perfect while he isn't, and that makes everything good he does bad. This can so easily debunked it's not really worth a thought.

Re: DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days

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Post by maxlin »

regularjack wrote: post #186
maxlin wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…

"Fixing" the US government

If removing bloat isn't fixing, idk what is on your standard.

Do you really think the people he's getting rid of are material to the mission of the agencies themselves, given even those missions are as relevant as they were when they were founded?

X sure is doing well with 20% of the crew regadless of the doomsayers screaming how it would crash at the time xD

Re: DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days

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Post by astar1 »

w0m wrote: post #234
Maxious wrote: post #22

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Maybe in terms of advancing scientific knowledge but DeepSeek has achieved a paradigm shift back from opex to capex. Certain applications are now economically viable when you don't have to pay per request and don't have to fight NVIDIA/sanctions for the privilege

how much of that cost is hidden/subsidized though? Less I missed something; there's lots of claims but lots of fuzz also. If you bring up API fees; CCP is notorious for subsidizing local business to operate at a loss on the global stage. You aren't paying per request/GPU access, CCP is.

This is so damn true. I wish people would stop taking companies in China at face value about any of their claims if the CCP has a vested interest in for geopolitical and economic reasons. Bytedance is another example.

It's telling that "South Korea has accused Chinese AI startup DeepSeek of sharing user data with the owner of TikTok in China." - source: >https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gex0x87g4o

Bytedance, which has had a CCP government official on their board for years: >https://www.reuters.com/technology/bytedance-says-china-unit...

Deepseek's claims that they used old unsanctioned gpus are probably totally fabricated as well (side point-giving signapore f35s was probably a mistake): >https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/deepseek-gpu-smug....

I mean it's not like an entity that bypasses sanctions would ever be open about it, as doing so would immediately result in more sanctions and the closing of loopholes. What does the CCP have to gain? What does it have to gain by stealing hundreds of billons of western IP in the past? 4 things: Power, prestige, riches, and the means to keep their power. This has been going in since at least 2004 (see Nortel case: https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-milita...)

The US winning the AI race was a clear threat to those 4 things.Hurting investor sentiment by a) distilling a model which cost billions to develop, and b)spreading propaganda and muddying the waters about costs, gpus, etc, helps them to narrow the gap. Making it open source was not done out of the goodness of their hearts, but out of self interest - another attempt to deflect from their actions (further muddying the waters) and divide the public against taking any further punitive action against the state (given the connection re: SK claims-tiktok algorithms were probably on overdrive spreading their bs) .

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Post by golly_ned »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #43
golly_ned wrote: post #38

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“Pure garage-energy” with 10,000 A100s, apparently. I’d love to have a garage like that.

From https://semianalysis.com/2025/01/31/deepseek-debates/ > We believe DeepSeek has access to around 10,000 of these H800s and about 10,000 H100s. Furthermore they have orders for many more H20’s, with Nvidia having produced over 1 million of the China specific GPU in the last 9 months.

The paper in the repo says: “ For DL training, we deployed the Fire-Flyer 2 with 10,000 PCIe A100 GPUs“

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Post by petesergeant »

suraci wrote: post #215
petesergeant wrote: post #185

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> The Chinese government only supports companies that are in line with industrial policies and are facing difficulties that require assistance So, like, for example, AI companies who are very upfront about not being able to get their hands on as many chips as they'd like?

in this case, it's domestic chip manufacturers are getting support from government government is not good at smuggling chips without getting attention, better try to contact some dealers in singapore or malaysia

I think you significantly underestimate what a helping hand from a government can do, from subsidising the extra expense of grey market chips, to making shipping containers disappear into the ether, to exerting pressure beyond simply commercial on people in and outside their borders.

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Post by suraci »

petesergeant wrote: post #257
suraci wrote: post #215

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in this case, it's domestic chip manufacturers are getting support from government government is not good at smuggling chips without getting attention, better try to contact some dealers in singapore or malaysia

I think you significantly underestimate what a helping hand from a government can do, from subsidising the extra expense of grey market chips, to making shipping containers disappear into the ether, to exerting pressure beyond simply commercial on people in and outside their borders.

hail hydra

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Post by _joel »

maxlin wrote: post #250
_joel wrote: post #167

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I think you've been drinking the koolaid too much. He's only in it to enrich himself and his cronies. There's a reason he's on course to become a trillionaire and it ain't because of altruism.

Yeah starting a rocket company is the best way to become rich. As so many before him managed doing that xd get a grip. Research how financially mad / "irresponsible" that was.

I'm well aware of SpaceX's history. I've read Eric Berger's book and have been a hopper watcher. None of what you said detracts from the fact there's a reason he's on target to becoem a trillionare and it's not altruism. I see you've drunk too much of the koolaid too.
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