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DeepSeek Open Infra: Open-Sourcing 5 AI Repos in 5 Days
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#182I really admire their mindset of striving for the betterment of humanity. There was a time when OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Musk used to talk with that same lofty vision. But now, they've all shifted to competing for national interests instead, which is honestly quite disappointing.
To me it's notable that Chinese government didn't care (or know) about this going open source.
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#183In fact they are totally dismantling OpenAI. Most likely, without any intention on their part. LLMs have been more legitimate "blockchain" when most CIO magazines had these essays with "What's your blockchain strategy?" kind of stuffed material. AI bubble will burst and will burst hard. By end of 2026 at max.
> Most likely, without any intention on their part.
I think this is a very, very naive assumption.
The founder is a quant with involvements in domestic investments and market design and pricing for decades - in China.
As seen with the case of Jack Ma, after you cross a certain level, there is no such thing as "not involved with politics" in China.
Liang knows exactly what he's doing.
> During 2021, Liang started buying thousands of Nvidia GPUs for his AI side project while running High-Flyer. Some industry insiders viewed it as the eccentric actions of a billionaire looking for a new hobby. One of Liang's business partners said they initially did not take Liang seriously and described their first meeting as seeing a very nerdy guy with a terrible hairstyle who could not articulate his vision. Liang simply said he wanted to build something and it will be a game changer which his business partners thought was only possible from giants such as ByteDance and Alibaba Group.
> During that month in an interview with 36Kr, Liang stated that High-Flyer had acquired 10,000 Nvidia A100 GPUs before the US government imposed AI chip restrictions on China.
> On 20 January 2025, Liang was invited to the Symposium with Experts, Entrepreneurs and Representatives from the Fields of Education, Science, Culture, Health and Sports (专家、企业家和教科文卫体等领域代表座谈会) hosted by Premier Li Qiang in Beijing. Liang, being considered as an industry expert, was asked to provide opinions and suggestions on a draft for comments of the annual 2024 government work report.
> On 17 February 2025, Liang along with the heads of other Chinese technology companies attended a symposium hosted by President Xi Jinping at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.
Whether he intended to or not initially, what happens with DeepSeek is now out of this man's hand and will be 100% influenced by politics.
The chip bans and dual use nature of the technology have catapulted Liang to the first row of CCP tech strategists' attention, for sure.
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#184Wasn't it caught already sending data to China in a sneaky way? Why using it for anything?
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
My intuition suggests they will very shortly have state-level resources thrown at them to mean they become a consistent leader. This and Qwen have been huge for China’s prestige and whatever the Chinese for Juche is. Those is unambiguously the next space race, and there’s absolutely no reason China can’t pull ahead of the US here.
why you have thought like this? it's not how it works in China The Chinese government only supports companies that are in line with industrial policies and are facing difficulties that require assistance. This is because such companies struggle to obtain financing from the society. The aim is to support the entire industry, not a specific company. If a company holds a leading position, it does not need to receive any…
> The Chinese government only supports companies that are in line with industrial policies and are facing difficulties that require assistance
So, like, for example, AI companies who are very upfront about not being able to get their hands on as many chips as they'd like?
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#186I really admire their mindset of striving for the betterment of humanity. There was a time when OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Musk used to talk with that same lofty vision. But now, they've all shifted to competing for national interests instead, which is honestly quite disappointing.
Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…
"Fixing" the US government
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#187Wasn't it caught already sending data to China in a sneaky way? Why using it for anything?
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are right for sure saying to wait for the actual repos. But on the other hand, compare this announcement in a README.md file in a GitHub repo with this slideware approach of EU https://openeurollm.eu/ If I had to bet on someone providing some value, unfortunately I wouldn't bet on Europe. I'm saying this as a European, deeply convinced that Europe is a good place to live. I've also worked for a couple of EU funde…
You’re not wrong, it’s a hell lot more exciting to watch players organically emerging from a competitive landscape with stuff you can put your hands on today (or next week) than players hand-picked and tasked by governments, making hollow announcements before they have anything interesting to show.
It's not just that. It's that the rest of the world is moving at light speed compared with EU. If people in EU want this project to survive, they need to change attitude, a lot.
If they are OK to let the EU project fail, they need to consider what the world will be. Europe has never been composed of dwarfs, but that's what every single EU country has become in the past 50 years.
Without US influence, away from big players, with less and less performant economies and industries, without a plan, with a difficult neighbour to address... it's going to be extremely difficult for Europe.
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#189This is more exciting to me than OpenAI's 12 days of Christmas
Yeah OpenAI's 12 days was pure Altman bs
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#190I really admire their mindset of striving for the betterment of humanity. There was a time when OpenAI, Anthropic, and even Musk used to talk with that same lofty vision. But now, they've all shifted to competing for national interests instead, which is honestly quite disappointing.
Saying that Musk "doesn't have the mindset" for betterment of humanity is just ignorant in a very short-sighted way. Sure, he currently has a side project of fixing the US government and ensuring US doesn't stray too far outside of its core interests, but SpaceX and Tesla are still his bread and butter he has spent most of his time on beside this scenic route. I've followed him closely since ~2016 so I can say this w…
Look past what he says and into what is actually happening.
He is actively helping take health care from poor people. He is firing thousands of people with families, mortgages and medical bills without cause. He is closing our national parks. All so he can personally have a tax cut.
His ex-wife is frantically posting for him to help with the healthcare of their own son in his replies. He can't even manage his family I don't think he has the betterment of humanity on his mind.