Live data from Hacker News

Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

bbc.com

461–470 of 1001 posts

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#461
post #452
post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you can use iTunes to make a local backup too. It was a thing long before iCloud.

Fair enough, however iTunes is also Apple software no? So your choice is use Apple software to make your backups, or....?

well, yeah, iphones could be bit more open, and I wish they were. But there's no real way for UK to force Apple into adding backdoors into that.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#462

The smartphone is a terrible platform. Something like this could never happen on the PC, where you can install any encryption and backup software that you want. While Apple did the right thing by refusing to give the UK government a backdoor, they are responsible for getting users in this situation in the first place. I'm not familiar with the iPhone and maybe there is already an alternative to iCloud ADP, although t…

> Something like this could never happen on the PC, where you can install any encryption and backup software that you want. Microsoft wants to have a word with you regarding their Windows operating system that's installed on their device that you're renting.

[deleted]

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#463
post #294

Note that this doesn’t satisfy the government’s original request, which was for worldwide backdoor access into E2E-encrypted cloud accounts. But I have a more pertinent question: how can you “pull” E2E encryption without data loss? What happens to those that had this enabled? Edit: Part of my concern is that you have to keep in mind Apple's defense against backdooring E2E is the (US) doctrine that work cannot be comp…

Apple is in a really tough position. I don't know if there's any way they could fulfil the original request without it effectively becoming a backdoor. Disabling E2E for the UK market is just kicking the can down the road. Even simply developing a tool to coerce users out of E2E without their explicit consent to comply with local laws could be abused in the future to obtain E2E messages with a warrant on different co…

Or, this is how they save face with their customers having complied with the request rather than stop trading with the UK.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it really does not.

How can you definitively know?

In the case of Linux Mint, I can check the commit history, build the software myself and even validate it against public checksums. It is expressly defended against these types of attacks, making it an odd choice to single out.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#465
post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird. In the US there is a right to bear arms, yet people are also pretty helpless against their oppressing government.

Who do you know that's been arrested for posting on social media? I don't know of anyone.

True.

American police will shoot people dead in the streets with impunity, the military industrial complex engages in constant wars regardless of popular sentiment and the American government is currently being carved up by neo-nazis and oligarchs but you can legally be racist on the internet. I guess it truly is the land of the free.

Also... wait six months.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#466

I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.

The unspoken part of that is Vance likely thinks that the people should fear their government.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#467

I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.

I think the US government has made these kinds of requests too, similar tactics such as mass data collection without a warrant and so on.

I don't think it is "scared" as much as just the usual human desire to do whatever the task is ... without thinking of the consequences.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#468
post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

Furthermore, one UK head of state call everyone supporting encryption pedophiles https://x.com/BenWallace70/status/1892972120818299199

[dead]

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#469
post #422
post #106

Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…

> What concerns me more is that Apple is the only company audibly making a stand. They are not making a stand. They roll over without a peep. And this is concerning users' privacy which they say is the core of the company. Compare it to fighting every government tooth and nail over every single little thing concerning the "we don't know if it's profitable and we don't keep meeting records" AppStore

“ They roll over without a peep.”

What are you talking about? This is literally them doing the opposite, and there are multiple other public instances of them making a stand, not to mention in the design of their systems.

Truly curious how you see this that way.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#470

What happens if a British citizen/resident buys an iPhone in the USA? Btw, as a European citizen, I always buy my devices in the USA. We can complain about the US as much as we want, but Europe is on another level.

As an EU citizen, the US* (govts) can stay way from my stuff. I won't even vpn through the

*or any other gubments.

Of course, when the rubber truncheon comes out, I'd be happy to show my encrypted stuff. But until then, or without a warrant, I'd prefer not to.

Post reply on HN