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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by fjjjrjj »

gnfargbl wrote: post #357
fjjjrjj wrote: post #235

Does this mean I should treat travel to the UK the same way as China and only bring a burner device with no information on it or on cloud backup accounts?

Border control agents in all countries -- including the US -- have fairly extensive powers to search your devices or deny you entry. I'm not sure this decision should change your calculus on that point. See also https://medium.com/@thegrugq/stop-fabricating-travel-securit...

Company trade secrets probably shouldn't be on the device? Edit - or the device's cloud backups?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by troupo »

bArray wrote: post #106

Too right, it was far more problematic than they ever made out. > The UK government's demand came through a "technical capability notice" under the Investigatory Powers Act (IPA), requiring Apple to create a backdoor that would allow British security officials to access encrypted user data globally. The order would have compromised Apple's Advanced Data Protection feature, which provides end-to-end encryption for iCl…

> What concerns me more is that Apple is the only company audibly making a stand.

They are not making a stand. They roll over without a peep. And this is concerning users' privacy which they say is the core of the company.

Compare it to fighting every government tooth and nail over every single little thing concerning the "we don't know if it's profitable and we don't keep meeting records" AppStore

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by fdb345 »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #275
fdb345 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a world where they cancel encryption they can't access... doesn't Signal and its CIA funded origins concern you?

Nope. I actually think that would bring more scrutiny and so I feel safer knowing it's not be cracked.

interesting and illogical reply

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by kbolino »

shuckles wrote: post #297
grahamj wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why, while I applaud what Apple is doing here, they need to allow us to supply our own E2E encryption keys.

That’s literally what the feature they’re removing did.

Not exactly. It generates the keys for you and stores them on device in the Secure Enclave. You cannot "bring your own" encryption key, but the primary benefit of doing so--that Apple does not have access to it--is intentionally accomplished anyway by the implementation.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by miohtama »

ljm wrote: post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

Furthermore, one UK head of state call everyone supporting encryption pedophiles

https://x.com/BenWallace70/status/1892972120818299199

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by DeepSeaTortoise »

munksbeer wrote: post #179
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, and maybe this is too charged for HN, but looking over at you guys from the US: The US has problems (don't get me wrong, look at our politics, enough said); but the UK seems to be speedrunning a collapse. The NHS having patients dying in hallways; Rotherham back in the popular mind; a bad economy even by EU standards; a massive talent exodus (as documented even on HN regarding hardware e…

I'm an immigrant to the UK. I have lived here permanently for 21 successive years, though I was actually in and out of the UK for years before that. My current anecdotal feeling about the UK is at a pretty low point. If it was an option, I would seriously look to emigrate again, but I honestly don't know where. The most appealing option for me is Australia, but my age works against me. I know everywhere has its issue…

Australia is hardly any better. E.g. it forces software engineers to try to sneak backdoors into the software they're working on.

Imagine hiring someone you didn't know had an Australian dual citizenship and two years later all your customers' data is leaked onto the net.

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Post by Retr0id »

mtrovo wrote: post #386
Retr0id wrote: post #4

As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?

You do realise that the UK government is, and always has been, notorious for surveillance. They haven't changed since before WW2 and probably never will, even if Apple suddenly decides to play hardball with them. And to be very, very honest, if you look across the Five Eyes nations, I don't think this is much different from what other countries deal with when it comes to access to data. You had PRISM, the trick of as…

The fact that it's always sucked is precisely why I want to leave.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by fdb345 »

jahewson wrote: post #322
throwaway77385 wrote: post #206

The nightmare continues. For now I am using 3rd party backup services that are (currently) promising me that my backups are encrypted by a key they do not have access to, or control over. But can this even be believed in an age where these secret notices are being served to any number of companies? I suppose the next step would be to ensure that files don't ever arrive in the cloud unencrypted, but I have yet to see…

In the case of the U.K., they can throw you in jail for not handing over your encryption key, so it’s a moot point. They’ve been slowly expanding this power for twenty years now.

ive been through all this with the law. no one ever got jailed for not handing over encryption keys unless they were a definitive criminal and theres strong evidence there is criminal data on the device.

they tried this with me (NCA) but the judge wouldnt sign off as they had nothning on me or my device. this did however REALLY want to access it! fuck them. pricks

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