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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#151

It's the right choice: don't bow to government pressure, let the people pressure the government.

How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.

I'm sure shooting at the government would have solved this privacy issue.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#152
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When UK demanded a backdoor to e2ee in iMessage, Apple told them they’d rather get out of UK. Why not do the same here? You’re posing a false dichotomy.

> Apple told them they’d rather get out of UK To my knowledge, Apple has always said that their response would be to withdraw affected services rather than break encryption. > Apple has said planned changes to British surveillance laws could affect iPhone users’ privacy by forcing it to withdraw security features, which could ultimately lead to the closure of services such as FaceTime and iMessage in the UK. https://…

True! Thanks for the correction.

IMO they could’ve categorized the whole iCloud service as “affected” and disable all of it.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#153

What exactly can UK users do now? Turn off "backup iPhone to iCloud" and stop syncing notes?

If you have ADP, Leave it on and have them automatically delete it at some point? Otherwise yes.

“Customers who are already using Advanced Data Protection, or ADP, will need to manually disable it during an unspecified grace period to keep their iCloud accounts, according to the report. Apple said it will issue additional guidance in the future to affected users and that it "does not have the ability to automatically disable it on their behalf."

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#154

It's the right choice: don't bow to government pressure, let the people pressure the government.

How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.

Weird. In the US there is a right to bear arms, yet people are also pretty helpless against their oppressing government.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article reports that it will be disabled for existing users at a later date.

I'm guessing this is because they haven't figured out a way to do it yet. I'm not very well versed in how these systems work but surely this type of encryption can't be disabled by Apple remotely (or they would have that backdoor they don't want)?

The Bloomberg article has a little more detail about this:

> Customers already using Advanced Data Protection, or ADP, will need to manually disable it during an unspecified grace period to keep their iCloud accounts. The company said it will issue additional guidance in the future to affected users and that it does not have the ability to automatically disable it on their behalf.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#156
post #29

This can set a dangerous precedent. Now why wouldn’t any country demand the same, basically eliminating Advanced Data Protection everywhere, making user data easily accessible to Apple (and therefore governments)?

It isn't really a precedent. Companies, even high-rolling American tech companies, have to abide by the laws and regulations of the countries that they operate in. I guess there is a question of whether this is a legal demand that they truly had to follow, or just a request, and whether they could fight it in court, but Apple seems to be hoping to adjudicate it in the court of public opinion (apparently the initial b…

> abide by the laws and regulations of the countries that they operate in.

In this case, the UK is seeking to use local law to change what is allowable on an international basis.

That's a bit different than a nation controlling the law on their own soil.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.

I'm sure shooting at the government would have solved this privacy issue.

It solved the taxation issue

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#159

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It's literally the number one story on https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ as I type this comment.

And I guarantee that the reaction from most people will be "good, I have nothing to hide so I have nothing to worry about". The apathy around this stuff in the UK is unbelivable - I've been trying to point out that hey, for years now something like 17 government agencies(including DEFRA - department of agriculture lol) can access your internet browsing history WITHOUT A WARRANT and that's absolutely fine. ISPs are re…

Does and of the doh or other DNS stuff help with this at all? Is the only solution to VPN out of Europe?

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

#160

Let's vote Labor and Liberal to keep the UK from going fascist on our data. Oh wait....shit.

This was done under the Investigatory Powers Act which was brought in in 2016. Saying that Labour weren't exactly against it at the time. Point being snooping isn't left or right - they all love it.
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