Let's vote Labor and Liberal to keep the UK from going fascist on our data. Oh wait....shit.
The party most likely to cut this stuff out is Reform, although they'd probably be closer to ambivalent about it.
Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not suggesting Apple should be able to see the content, I'm saying the Police should be able to, when they have a valid court order issued in accordance with the legislation. For example, A 'Personal Recovery Key' could be recorded in a police database. To gain access to 'encrypted' data from Apple, a court order is needed, once they have the encrypted data, they can unencrypt it using the key only they hold. The…
> A 'Personal Recovery Key' could be recorded in a police database. That's about as secure as not having ADP at all, or worse. If that police database gets compromised, not only my data is accessible to the attackers, but I will be none the wiser about it.
An attacker would have to both compromise the police database AND Apple to retrieve the data.
The Key could even be split, say 3 ways. Apple holds 1 piece, the police hold another, and the Courts hold the third, all three would be needed to decrypt the data.
This is too far in to the weeds though.
It is not beyond humanities ability to have a system as secure as ADP while still providing a mechanism to access terrorists phones for example.
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#233As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?
If you value personal freedoms, you should go to East Europe. The more to the east, the better. Snowden went to Russia.
Snowden didn’t go to Russia because of the government there “valuing personal freedoms,” he went there bevause it is one of the very few major countries that absolutely will not cooperate with any extradition requests from western countries.
If you are thinking of going to east europe (and especially Russia) in search of personal freedoms, I got a bridge to sell you (for context, I grew up in Russia). The only “freedom” some of those countries might provide is the freedom from the long reach of the hands of western governments (and even that is a “maybe”, as Andrew Tate has been discovering recently).
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those people aren’t enabling ADP to begin with.
Exactly. There is a technological disconnect for a lot of people. They accept actions like this because they don't fully appreciate, IMHO, the ramifications. We do, and we must do more to educate people.
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#235Does this mean I should treat travel to the UK the same way as China and only bring a burner device with no information on it or on cloud backup accounts?
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#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
How? In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government.
>> In the UK, there's no right to bear arms, so people are pretty helpless against their oppressing government. There's a right to bear arms in the US and it doesn't seem to be helping them with their oppressive government.
I feel like it's working pretty great
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#239I have a naive question, and it's genuine curiosity, not a defence of what's happening here.
This ADP feature has only existed for a couple of years, right? I understand people are mad that it's now gone, but why weren't people mad _before_ it existed? For like, a decade? Why do people treat iCloud as immediately dangerous now, if they didn't before?
Did they think it was fully encrypted when it wasn't? Did people not care about E2E encryption and now they do? Is it that E2E wasn't possible before? If it's such a huge deal to people now, why would they have ever used iCloud or anything like it, and now feel betrayed?
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
The choice was either eliminate it now (globally, via introduction of a backdoor) or eliminate it in the UK (but keep it globally). So, perhaps this is a bit of a dangerous precedent, but it was the least-bad option.
That’s a false dichotomy. Another choice, however unpalatable to all parties, would have been for Apple to stop doing business in the UK.
> would have been for Apple to stop doing business in the UK
Apple employes thousands of people in the UK. I really don't see any practical way they could have done that.