As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?
If you abhor surveillance, don't pick a Five-Eyes nation.
Don't forget the 14-Eyes, which includes most of Western Europe.
Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
the whole point of ADP is that they cannot provide access
Yes, the parent commenter missed the part where Apple cannot see the encrypted content when ADP is used.
I'm not suggesting Apple should be able to see the content, I'm saying the Police should be able to, when they have a valid court order issued in accordance with the legislation.
For example, A 'Personal Recovery Key' could be recorded in a police database. To gain access to 'encrypted' data from Apple, a court order is needed, once they have the encrypted data, they can unencrypt it using the key only they hold.
There's lots of ways to skin a cat.
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#43As a citizen, I don’t understand what the UK government thinks they are getting here - other than the possibility of leaks of the nation’s most sensitive data. Also is it not possible to set up my Apple account outside of the UK while living here?
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#44This can set a dangerous precedent. Now why wouldn’t any country demand the same, basically eliminating Advanced Data Protection everywhere, making user data easily accessible to Apple (and therefore governments)?
The choice was either eliminate it now (globally, via introduction of a backdoor) or eliminate it in the UK (but keep it globally). So, perhaps this is a bit of a dangerous precedent, but it was the least-bad option.
When UK demanded a backdoor to e2ee in iMessage, Apple told them they’d rather get out of UK. Why not do the same here? You’re posing a false dichotomy.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#45This can set a dangerous precedent. Now why wouldn’t any country demand the same, basically eliminating Advanced Data Protection everywhere, making user data easily accessible to Apple (and therefore governments)?
It isn't really a precedent. Companies, even high-rolling American tech companies, have to abide by the laws and regulations of the countries that they operate in. I guess there is a question of whether this is a legal demand that they truly had to follow, or just a request, and whether they could fight it in court, but Apple seems to be hoping to adjudicate it in the court of public opinion (apparently the initial backdoor request was secret and it got leaked).
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#46I don't get what's happening to civil liberty in Europe.
Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
#47This can set a dangerous precedent. Now why wouldn’t any country demand the same, basically eliminating Advanced Data Protection everywhere, making user data easily accessible to Apple (and therefore governments)?
Wait, are you saying the U.S. might demand the same? In the current political environment?
UK is much smaller than US and they didn’t even fight this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#48Could moves like this by other repressive regimes finally open the door to consumer-owned, consumer-controlled, decentralized cloud storage systems that are fully encrypted and inaccessible by any agency or individual except by the owner?
Would be a beautiful thing to see. Not sure how storage would work though since you cannot take payment (that would make it centralized), and storage would have to be distributed, but by who?
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#49As someone currently a citizen of the UK, what are my best emigration opportunities?
Depends on what you’re after * Australia * United States * Singapore * Dubai * Europe (Belgium/Switzerland/Netherlands)
Of the whole list, if the Investigatory Powers Act is what you didn't like, I'd pick Switzerland first, then Belgium/Netherlands.
Of course, that assumes you're fluent in the local languages. Hoe goed spreekt u Nederlands?
I made a jump to Germany in 2018, and, thanks to learning a new language, have had a front-row seat to how flat the real Dunning Kruger effect really is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dunning–Kruger_Effect2.sv...
Dubai, even as an international hub where you may be able to get by with English — لا تضيع وقتك باستخدام دولينجو لتعلم اللغة العربية، لقد حاولت خلال الوباء وما زلت لا أعرف الأبجدية — is much more authoritarian than the UK. Similar for Singapore.
If you're monolingual, and privacy is your concern, then the US is an improvement over Australia.
But also consider Canada and Ireland.
Ireland isn't in Five Eyes, Canada is, but also Canada is slightly further away from the madness of Trump etc. than any company still inside the USA.
I'm not even sure what's going to happen with the US federal government given that DOGE cannot meet its stated goals even by deleting all discretionary-budget federal agencies like the NSA, CIA, FBI, all branches of the armed forces, etc. but on the other hand the private sector is busy doing a huge volume of spying anyway in the name of selling adverts… chaos is impossible to predict, and you should want to predict things at least a few years out if you're going to the trouble of relocating.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
If any of the tech firms would resist, it would be Apple. I wasn't sure which way they'd go.
While Apple especially under Tim Cook has done a lot questionable acquiescences under Cook for political expediences, they really didn’t have a choice here. It was the law. Now going back on Twitter to get in the good graces of President Musk and bringing TikTok back to the AppStore even though it is clearly against the law is different.
> they really didn’t have a choice here
They did have a choice. They could have said they will just get out of UK. That would have resulted in enough political turmoil in UK that their government would roll back this stupid law. Apple chickened out.