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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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After touchdown, but it rolled sideways not end over end. This kept the fuselage intact and ripped off the wings (where all the fuel is) which is why everyone survived.

Just to understand: Did it roll upside down, with people’s head at the bottom, or sideways, with people’s back to the front of the direction?

It certainly ended up upside down.

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Sorry, but I think that statement is an incorrect perception that you're falling victim to due to a statistical blip in high publicity aircraft incidents in the last ~2 months. We live in the safest era of commercial airline travel in history. The rate of serious aircraft accidents is so low that safety researchers almost don't have real life incidents to study for new issues to fix. That is why the recent few incide…

Although my conclusion is the same as yours, that flying has never been safer, it has felt like longer than 2 months that the state of aviation safety has been under scrutiny. I feel like the Boeing situation recently has caused a lot of people to really assume the worst of the industry. Again, I'm in aviation. I believe the data indicates it's safe as it's ever been. But I don't blame people for being concerned

Seeing video of a missing door in flight, sure no one died, the fatality statistics don't look any worse for it, but it sure erodes confidence in the system. The findings of the following investigation only made it that much worse.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It's wild to me that this is at the top of Hacker News, but not even on the Google News front page. I feel like major airline crashes are usually headlines.

Google News is pretty awful nowadays. I feel like Google stopped caring about it years ago.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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That's incredible. The plane literally turned over and burnt but no casualty. The flight staff must have done as amazing job keeping everyone calm and helped everyone get out of the upside, burning plane.

It also looks like a wing has been ripped off. That passengers could survive an accident involving so much force is surprising.

Not only ripped off but if you look at the video it looks like the wings exploded with a ball of fire.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Yes, in addition to competitiveness, complete information must be available. The customers must know that the barbers are skimping on barbicide, and also have a full understanding of the consequences of that. It's not a default situation, and a lot of regulations are about providing that transparency so that customers can make an informed decision.

One of the many realizations that pushed me away from libertarianism is that I don't want to research every part of my daily life. Today in the US, I can * Buy any brand of meat in any grocery store and be confident it won't make my family sick. * Visit any barber and be confident I won't get a weird scalp infection * Fly with any airline and be confident I'll get to my destination alive This confidence is incredibly…

This isn't entirely fair. There's nothing stopping a rigorous certification system (either private or public) from existing alongside a less regulated system.

USDA organic comes to mind.

Just as libertarians are often overly black and white, so are regulatory regimes.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It's wild to me that this is at the top of Hacker News, but not even on the Google News front page. I feel like major airline crashes are usually headlines.

I think there's a fascination in the amount of hardware and software engineering that goes into making a bunch of metal tubes and curves that weight 100,000+ lbs able to fly at 30,000 ft for hours. And we get very upset/interested when these things fail.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It's mystifying that any airport with commercial service doesn't have cameras with a full view of every runway recording 100% of the time. You can't steal a catalytic converter without being on video. We have webcams placed behind eagles' nests in our national parks. Yet somehow we have no recordings of plane crashes at our airports. Then of course there's the lack of cameras on the planes themselves...

Why do you assume no footage exists? Why do you assume that any footage the tower has should be released to the public immediately?

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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It's mystifying that any airport with commercial service doesn't have cameras with a full view of every runway recording 100% of the time. You can't steal a catalytic converter without being on video. We have webcams placed behind eagles' nests in our national parks. Yet somehow we have no recordings of plane crashes at our airports. Then of course there's the lack of cameras on the planes themselves...

There’s a video posted elsewhere in this discussion [0].

Looks like the plane landed incredibly hard and the gear buckled. Extreme wind shear?

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1is1qoy/video_of_...

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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There is a longer version that shows the inside of the plane. The flight attendant decisively and composedly ushering the passengers off the (upside down) plane. Hats off. https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1891632984500904441/video/1

I have a lot of antipathy towards the passengers who are getting out with their backpacks; if one takes the time to pick up their stuff they are probably in the way, take more time getting out, and could cause the death of other passengers or staff.

Don’t they actually get a heavy sanction? If not, maybe they should. I can imagine people with a suitcase getting prison time.

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It was gusting 40 to 70mph at yyz today, RJ9 has a max crosswind landing limit of 32mph... de-crabbed a plane that size on ice in heavy wind, interesting choice.

Cross-winds are bad. I was in Vancouver once flying to Victoria with a co-worker. We were supposed to take a helicopter but the winds were too bad so we caught a plane. Taking off, I'm pretty sure a wing just missed a ground and we looked at each other. Things were OK but it was probably the roughest flight I ever had.

Too windy for a helicopter does not inspire plane flying confidence! Scary!
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