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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by azinman2 »

Lammy wrote: post #619
ecshafer wrote: post #363

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Rust, which is a language I really enjoy, generates more social media outrage and religious wars than any other technical project I have been following for the past 20 years.

> more social media outrage and religious wars than any other technical project I have been following for the past 20 years. It is unfortunately wrapped up in larger-scale outrage culture than just within tech/programming circles. Rust as a community is very gay and very trans: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2024/02/19/2023-Rust-Annual-Surve... https://blog.rust-lang.org/2025/02/13/2024-State-Of-Rust-Sur... To be clear I…

“The majority of those who consider themselves a member of an underrepresented or marginalized group in technology identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or otherwise non-heterosexual. The second most selected option was neurodivergent at 46% followed by trans at 35%.”

Out of 14.5% of the respondents. I wouldn’t call that a very anything community.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by perching_aix »

LexiMax wrote: post #601
perching_aix wrote: post #589

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> tharne 4 minutes ago | parent | context | flag | on: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead > > > Ted Tso'o accusing the speaker of wanting to convert people to the "religion promulgated by Rust" > That seems totally reasonable. Putting aside the technical merits of the Rust language for the moment, the Rust community suffers from many of the same issues currently hobbling the Democratic Party in the United States.…

> 99% of insufferable Rust vs. C interactions I've come across it was the C fella being the asshole. So sorry, but no, not very convincing or "totally reasonable" at all. This has also been my observation as a C++ developer who finds themselves in a fair few C/C++-aligned spaces. There are exceptions, but in most of those spaces the amount of Rust Derangement Syndrome I've witnessed is honestly kind of tiresome at th…

> Rust Derangement Syndrome

Thank you for proving me so right so readily.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by dimator »

freetime2 wrote: post #692

> For a long time, well after we had a stable release, people kept claiming Asahi Linux and Fedora Asahi Remix in particular were “alpha” and “unstable” and “not suitable for a daily driver” This is still my position on Asahi Linux: that it is not something that I would use as a daily driver nor recommend to others for use as a daily driver. > “When is Thunderbolt coming?” “Asahi is useless to me until I can use moni…

i don't think anyone on the asahi team doesn't know that there are missing functionalities. if they're dealbreakers for anyone, fine.

what's out of line is incessant reporting (via issues, emails, whatever) of what you consider a dealbreaker. that's my impression of what he's complaining about. let the people work. no one likes to respond "not yet" a billion times.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by bezier-curve »

bezier-curve wrote: post #358
hitekker wrote: post #301

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You’re not biting because it’s true. Linux said no brigading. Hector resigns twice and in the second time, despite saying he wouldn’t elaborate on Rust vs Linux, proceeds to blame Linus and start another social media brigade.

Your comment has nothing to do with someone trying to ironically gatekeep me from commenting on Linus' public behavior in response to my comment about gatekeeping.

Love how people can be openly hostile towards me on this website, and I get downvotes and misdirected frustration for pointing it out.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by ta8645 »

dralley wrote: post #548
znpy wrote: post #491

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> I have to say that I used to be excited about Rust, but the Rust community seems very toxic to me. I see a lot of anger, aggression, vindictiveness, public drama, etc. I had the same impression. Why all this drama is 90% of the time around Rust people?

The kernel is not exactly known for being drama-free, and this drama didn't start with "Rust people", it started with Christoph.

Was Hellwig first, or Andre Hedrick, or maybe Hans Reiser?

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Post by subjectsigma »

dullcrisp wrote: post #610
subjectsigma wrote: post #272

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I started reading the article, having little background on kernel drama, and ended it thinking to myself, “Jesus, what did this poor guy do to deserve all this hate?” Then I read the thread you linked and thought, “Oh. That.” To be clear nobody deserves to be harassed or threatened, but Hector’s messages make it clear he is astoundingly good at making himself into a victim of injustice. When his messages mentioned “c…

Is it possible to agree that having one’s work compared to cancer could be insulting but also that trying to publicly shame people about it isn’t the right response?

Yes, absolutely.

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by tylerchilds »

ThatGuyRaion wrote: post #366
tylerchilds wrote: post #69

i think at this point, the only path forward for rust and linux is a hard fork Rinux

The name is kind of ridiculous though. Sounds like a misspelling by East Asians, so nah, it'd have to be named something different. Otherwise people are going to get accusations that it's a South Park thing.

Runix

Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by booleandilemma »

uhgrippa wrote: post #235
nindalf wrote: post #93

Marcan links to an email by Ted Tso'o ( https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20250208204416.GL1130956@mit.ed... ) that is interesting to read. Although it starts on a polarising note ("thin blue line"), it does a good job of explaining the difficulties that Linux maintainers face and why they make the choices they do. It makes sense to be extremely adversarial about accepting code because they're on the hook for maintaining…

These are often the same classification of individual who tend to modify their viewpoints towards “change is progressing rapidly in an area that I don’t understand and this scares me.” Anytime an expert in a particular area has their expertise challenged or even threatened by a new technology it is perfectly human to react in a way that is defensive towards the perceived threat. Part of growth as a human is recognizi…

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Re: Resigning as Asahi Linux project lead

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Post by 999900000999 »

legobmw99 wrote: post #742
999900000999 wrote: post #351

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At this point you have a community of maintainers who expect it to remain a C project. Which is very logical. If you add Rust, why not Zig, Nim, and every other low level language?

I can't find the exact link now (very well might have been a video without a searchable transcript), but I recall someone asking Linus that (specifically re his previous comments on C++), and his answer was something like he saw Rust solving a problem that C genuinely does not. It's controversial, but I do think of C++, Zig, etc as solving the "same problems" as C (perhaps in a much nicer way)

His particular opinion doesn't matter if the rest of the old guard only wants C in the kernel.

A lot of pain and drama could of been prevented if he put his foot down and said only C code is allowed. Instead he left it ambiguous, and a lot of good meaning people have been damaged by this. I know I'd be upset if I had been a part of the Rust for Linux team, and when I actually wanted to get my code in I was told my contributions weren't welcomed.

I wouldn't want to mix and match languages in a project that's so vital to really the entire world. It just seems like a good way for a funky rust bug to cause billions in issues...

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